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Would I have a problem installing DNS8 and ViaVoice 10 on the same computer?
Submitted by frog_jr on Thu, 06/30/2005 - 19:12.
Well, that pretty much says it in the title. I already have VV10 installed on a p4 box, and am looking to start working with DNS8. Do the installations interfere with each other? Thanks. |
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Would I have a problem installing DNS8 and ViaVoice 10 on the sa
No conflict. In fact, you can even run them at the same time, although if they share the same input device (soundcard or USB pod), you have to shut down the microphone in the one before you can open the microphone in the other.
I have both DNS 8 and VV10
I have both DNS 8 and VV10 installed on my D drive where I install programs. Both run fine.
Tim.
I have both DNS 8 and VV10
I installed ViaVoice on my F drive and DNS on my J drive . Both run fine, and can be used to the same time with the limitations as previously referred to.
I never use C:Program Files for programmes, since if my C (OS) goes down, I can reformat and reinstall the Image without having to worry about losing data in my programmes.
Quentin
Did it ;-)
OK, it is working well, although I am only using DNS 8 at least for the time being. It is very exciting training it. I just transcribed a 100-pg meeting with it and it all went very smoothly. Thanks!
Some cautions on installing on separate partitions
If you keep your operating system on C: drive and install DNS on another drive or partition so that you can reimage your boot drive (i.e. OS drive), there are a couple of things that everyone needs to keep in mind.
First, Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 7.3 and 8.x install the user files on the C: drive. Therefore, if you don't regularly export your users to another location, reinstalling the OS image will only reinstall the user files as created and maintained at the time that you created the image.
Second, if you imaged your C: drive before installing Dragon NaturallySpeaking, restoring your C: drive image will be sans your users.
Third, regardless of where you install Dragon NaturallySpeaking, you cannot avoid your users and necessary user data being installed in the appropriate folder (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking8). Because of the nature of the install and the Windows certified logo compliance, the install will not allow you change anything but the location of the backup user folder. In addition, you can't change this manually because the reference to your user files and user data is only available using this folder.
Lastly, the location of all your programs is stored in the Windows registry. Therefore, if you create a boot drive image prior to the installation of Dragon NaturallySpeaking, restoring that boot drive image will restore a copy of the registry that does not include any applications installed after that image was created. Restoring such an image will necessitate a reinstall of any applications installed after the image was created.
Except for the last point regarding the registry, the first 3 points do not, as far as I know, affect IBM ViaVoice.
Therefore, before you go installing these products on separate partitions or drives, it is important to remember these limitations and take them into consideration. You can end up creating more problems than you solve if you don't.
Some cautions on installing on separate partitions
ViaVoice also puts the voice files in C: \ Documents and Settings \ [User Name] \ Active Programs \ IBM \ ViaVoice \ Users.
Therefore the remarks of Chuck relating to DNS equally apply to VV
Quentin
From a newbie: Why would one
From a newbie:
Why would one want to use both VV and Dragon?
Also since you are people who use both, which would you recommend for general business dictation on a PC? On a Mac?
(there seems to be a large price difference - vv at $30 or so, NS starting at $149..)
Thanks,
Tom
Don't bother. I started the
Don't bother. I started the thread, and I was simply transitioning over to DNS from VV, and needed to continue using VV to get my work done while training DNS. It turned out to be so easy to train it, and well, a slow period for business, and so it wsa very easy to migrate. No other reason.
And The company that owns DNS purchased the distribution rights (not the code, I think) for ViaVoice about 2 years ago. They then sent emails to all registered users of ViaVoice offering a discounted price on their "superior" speech recognition program. So although others may disagree, IMO, Scansoft purchased VV in order to kill the only remaining competition. There has been considerable debate about this, but I think it is unlikely that VV as an office or consumer application will see any further development. So I say don't bother. But it also really depends on your needs. VV is slower, and not compatible with WordPerfect (for those who care) and only the Pro version is compatible with Windows 2000. And only release 10.5 is compatible with WinXP SP2, I believe, and 10.5 may or may not be available for sale. I believe they only sold it to registered users of release 10.
I used version 9.1 for about 9 mos. with good results, and then version 10 for nearly as long, and have now installed Dragon and have no intention on going back. And yes, I do have them both on one machine successfully. I never use VV any more.
frog_jr wrote "...... only
frog_jr wrote "...... only release 10.5 is compatible with WinXP SP2"
Not so. 10 is compatible with SP2, and I think perhaps 9 is also.
10 was not compatible with Office 2003. 10.5 rectified that when it was introduced last March.
It is not possible to determine whether 10.5 is what is being sold commercially, the box still says 10. I suspect that ScanSoft have more boxes than CDs, and they're trying to get rid of the boxes
As will have been seen from the various postings, there is immediate difference between the attitudes of ScanSoft UK and ScanSoft US, the former being extremely helpful and co-operative. No comment on the latter.
Having used both DNS and VV, I still find VV quicker. But that is my personal preference. Certainly a fast CPU and begs of memory helps.
Quentin
crivon1 wrote:Not so. 10 is
Not so. 10 is compatible with SP2, and I think perhaps 9 is also.
if that be the case, then my apologies. I had thought I was seeing a lot of posts at the ViaVoice Yahoo user group regarding XP service pack two, but my recollection may be in error, and that was one of the other applications that wouldn't work with service pack two I was thinking of. Perhaps it was simply office 2003.
10 was not compatible with Office 2003. 10.5 rectified that when it was introduced last March.
Okay, perhaps I stand corrected.
My recollection is correct, however, in that ScanSoft sent me an e-mail a few months after they purchased ViaVoice offering me a discount on their "superior" speech recognition application. And that as a registered user of VV 10, I was never informed of any available upgrade to version 10.5. Furthermore, as soon as I learned that ViaVoice 10.5 might be available, I telephoned ScanSoft's customer support, where I was informed that no such upgrade existed, nor was it likely to exist in the future, and that I would be informed in that unlikely event. As far as I know, ScanSoft has never publicized the existence of a version 10.5, or made any effort to inform registered users of version 10, and the few people who have acquired the upgrade learned of it via independent user groups. Perhaps ScanSoft UK did make an effort to inform their users, I can't speak to that.
so like it or not, that is another reason I would recommend Dragon. That, and the fact that I agree with Scansoft that it is a better application. I may not appreciate how they handled their purchase of VV, but their acquisitions of Dragon, ViaVoice, and TextBridge collectively say to me that they do some things right.
As will be seen from some
As will be seen from some earlier threads, it would appear that ScanSoft US were being very coy about admitting the existence of 10.5. They certainly never broadcast it, and it took a lot of leverage for people to get 10.5. On the other hand ScanSoft UK made no bones about it, and gave out 10.5 as a replacement for 10 without any difficulty.
I suspect that ScanSoft US are a little worried about 10.5 being a competitor for DNS 8, and having control over distribution, are playing down 10.5 in order to promote DNS 8.
However I have noticed recently that ViaVoice is on the computer superstore shelves in Ireland alongside DNS 8. (I cannot speak about other countries.)
As regards the XP SP 2 problems, these are ones which were reported by me and related to one particular computer which had SP2 pre-installed. (I am also running a desktop with SP 2, but this is one which I upgraded from plain XP through SP 1 to SP2. which gives me no problems.) It was the pre-installation which I believe caused problems. These problems still exist, but I am learning to live with them. For example when I put in a new programme, it seems to affect my VV user files (as well as other existing programmes). I then go through re-installation of the backup user files (see the thread on this).
My Desktop has dual boot XP and 2000. For preference I use 2000. I installed 2000 after the pre-installed XP (pre SP 1) . However the laptop will not allow me to do this. Consequently I am stuck with XP in my laptop. Quite frankly give me 2000 any day.
Quentin
While I respect the thread
While I respect the thread originator's words to you, I could make an argument for acquiring ViaVoice once you understand the outstanding issues he documents.
It is much cheaper. People I know whose judgement I respect say ViaVoice is as good as DNS. If you're not sure you really want to adopt SR as a way of writing and/or controlling your PC, and if you don't already have a copy of MS Office 2003 with its bundled MS Speech, then ViaVoice is the cheapest way to go.
Also, some people benefit from using competing products -- although I'm not one of them! They have no trouble moving from, say MS Office to the WordPerfect Offfice suite, and in fact doing so increases their proficiency at one or the other. If you're that type of person and if you know the market circumstances and if you can afford it, I'd say go for it -- for example, my friend Richards would be enumerated amongst those who seem to move with alacrity and grace from SR product to SR product and never suffer a glitch.
Bruce
Well, he's right. I did
Well, he's right. I did very well with VV, and found it to be very useful, and as a transcriber, I made money using it. Both VV and DNS have an outstanding vocabulary, and a very similar interface. I happen to think DNS runs faster on my machine, but others appear to have different experience. Due to the ridiculously low price, I started using ViaVoice sort of on an impulse, but then it quickly convinced me that this was the way for me to go. If you want to try but don't want to spend much, a copy of VV is probably as cheap now as it was when I bought it. I think I got mine at Softwareoutlet.com for about $30, which has to be one of the most outrageous bargains on the web, considering what the program does, and how well it does it. The microphone alone is worth that. IMO, you will likely be moving to DNS eventually if you do, but it will have been a cheap introduction, and a relatively painless transition. And it spells better than I do, too.
Your user data, vocabulary, and any custom macros will not be migrated, BTW.
BTW, Version 9.1 of VV is extremely similar to version 10, and I saw few improvements in performance. Others may disagree on this, but if you want to save your pennies, you can probably still buy a legit copy of 9.1 Pro for about $20 and make good use of it. I think Scansoft support is negligible at best for the 20-$30 version you get at some site like softwareoutlet; as it is an OEM version it doesn't qualify for much in the way of support.
But mine worked fine. Just clean up your computer first because SR is one of the most demanding programs you can buy. Back up your registry, your user files, everything. If you are running an install of Windows that has been getting jammed up with a lot of superfluous registry entries, etc., maybe a fresh install of the OS is a good idea. Defragging is also a very good idea. Few programs available (except first-person video games
) will tax your computer so much.
I still suggest DNS over ViaVoice, but I don't want to be too harsh on the program that introduced me, and made a few dollars for me too.
Wow. Thanks for all the
Wow. Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it, in every sense of the word. Probably going to try v v first. I had tried an earlier version of DNS about 5 years ago, and gave up in frustration. So hopefully a better experience awaits -
Many Thanks to all of you!
Tom
Good Grief! A satisfied
Good Grief! A satisfied customer! I think that doubles our output. We actually had another one, but since we couldn't shut up, that person got POed and walked out on us
Seriously, thanks for letting everyone know what you think.
Bruce