General Hardware question re: noise

I am noticing a potential problem with Dragon, which I am sure would also be present with VV if I were using it on this machine also. that is, I have noise coming from somewhere, I believe. It doesn't appear to be coming from the atmosphere. If you have input on this topic, I think it may be a worthwhile one for anybody. So I am appealing to you guys and gals to offer any ideas.

Background: I had spent the last few weeks building up a new box with the main intent being speech recognition, as well as others. I selected a nice Shuttle XPC P4 machine, a SB75G2, with more than adequate RAM, a hard drive that advertised itself as being exceptionally quiet, a diamondmax plus 9, a VXI translator mic adaptor for sound input, and a nice mic/headset unit, the Andrea NC-750. I should admit up front that I am not using the little battery box that came with the Andrea mic, and if this is a consideration, I would like to know. My assumption was that this was more for use with a sound card.

Having tweaked it and just getting things up to where I liked it, the hard drive failed, alas, before I had made a real total backup. I then began the painful process of reconfiguring it, using a 200 gb WD hard drive from Best Buy that cost about $40 US after rebates, one of which has arrived in the mail so far. I have yet to get it all set up quite as nicely as I had it before, but at least I have now purchased a decent dvd burner and Ghost 2003 so I can make backups as easily as possible. Not as sophisticated as what's out there now I guess, but I am long-time Ghost user.

Back on topic, Dragon's little noise gauge is always displaying about a 1/4 to 1/3 level of sound no matter what is going on in the room. Now this is a closed, quiet room, with a window AC that I sometimes turn off when dictating, but it doesn't seem to make much difference. Opening the window makes more. But this noise-o-meter on the Dragon bar doesn't seem to ever go down below about 25%. Test: I switch the mic to "mute." This nose level doesn't go down.

I know that when I listen to the line out from the sound chip, probably a Realtek like most other motherboards I have built, I hear all kinds of horrid noises at high volumes, whenever I click, scroll, minimize a window, do virtually anything in the GUI, it makes corresponding static-ey rumbling, buzzing, beeping noises -- which are not so noticable at lower volumes, BTW.

I had thought my purchasing a USB sound pod from Martin would circumvent this noise, and in fact, these rumblings etc. don't appear to affect the noise-o-meter on the dragon bar.

I also have other devices on the same AC circuit. I tried unplugging them all or switching them off. No apparent result. the only things I left on were the monitor, which is in fact on a different circuit, and the KVM switch I use when I run more than one computer at a time. I admit either of these could also be a source of noise.

So I begin to wonder vaguely about the topic of "electrical noise," and whether there is anything one can or should do in this way regarding that in order to maximize the clarity of the sound, or signal that you SR app receives. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Tad.

P.S.: I have a Soudblaster Live card as one possible attempt at fixing or addressing this issuse, I guess. I had so much liked the built-in audio jacks on the front of the box which I won't be able to use with the SB card, at least without using the soldering iron ... I am hoping for some input before I try this next step, but I am willing and able. I am also considering the purchse of a 16-bit Soundblaster USB device as another possible fix.

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First go into the BIOS and

First go into the BIOS and turn off the mainboard sound chip.

Also belay the notion of getting an SB USB -- if the VXi doesn't work then its unlikely the latter will either.

Make sure you select the USB sound device when you run the Audio Wizard.

If the Shuttle rig has rear/other USB ports, try them out. You can also try re-routing the wiring for the front ports. I've had PCI card USB ports whose operation depended on what slot the card was in, although never a problem to date with mainboard ports.

Bruce

Cool tanks. BruceCyr

Cool tanks.

BruceCyr wrote:

First go into the BIOS and turn off the mainboard sound chip.

OK, the VXI does not have audio out. that's why the SB USB may be a good way to go.
I am listening to the computer while dictating.

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Also belay the notion of getting an SB USB -- if the VXi doesn't work then its unlikely the latter will either.

I've looked up "belay" in my handy mountaineering dictionary, Bruce. Does no good re: sound cards. You must be dictating. Eye-wink Re: installing a pci sound card, what do you say to that?

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Make sure you select the USB sound device when you run the Audio Wizard.

Sho nuff. I have made that mistake before, of selecting sound card input when using a sound pod. Still works, but far, far worse accuracy.

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If the Shuttle rig has rear/other USB ports, try them out. You can also try re-routing the wiring for the front ports. I've had PCI card USB ports whose operation depended on what slot the card was in, although never a problem to date with mainboard ports.

Good thought. This little box has 2 front and 4 rear, and I have only tried the front. I guess you have no other input re: electrical noise etc.?

Front mounted USB ports

Front mounted USB ports frequently pick up electrical interference if the connecting cable is not well shielded. Generally it is best to connect a USB sound device via one of the primary USB ports.
If you wish to use a Full Dupex USB sound device try the new Buddy USB 5G. This will give better results for SR than the Creative USB. (stocked by eMicrophones in the US and ITSpeaking in the UK).

Graham Hendry

Thank you! I may look into

Thank you! I may look into the buddy thing there, but I will definitely try the other port. Cheers, Tad

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I've looked up "belay" in my handy mountaineering dictionary, Bruce. Does no good re: sound cards. You must be dictating. Eye-wink Re: installing a pci sound card, what do you say to that?

SB PCI soundcard is a good way to go, especially if you have it. SB USB is not so good UNLESS you already have it. The reason for disabling onboard soundcard is to simplify the variables. If you can live with the noise on output, then you can always enable it later on.

I've not worked with a Shuttle box, but I haven't heard they're especially noisy. Tom Westheimer builds Shuttle based boxes for his clients, so I'm sure they are not inherently noisy. But a particular mainboard could be noisy, and mainboard soundcards are notoriously noisy.

Bruce

PS: Belay the "mountaineering" approach! Try a standard dictionary and go into the secondary meanings. Oh ye youth who are unacquainted with Errol Flynn movies and other 40's Hollywood trash!

PPS: "Sho nuff" indicates you might either be a Mississipian and/or a Faulkner fan!

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PS: Belay the "mountaineering" approach! Try a standard dictionary and go into the secondary meanings. Oh ye youth who are unacquainted with Errol Flynn movies and other 40's Hollywood trash!

Hoisted by my own petard!

OK, the SB live 5.1 is in there now, and a minor note about the shuttle box. The shuttle XPCis generally a very quiet machine. It is also remarkably well constructed compared to most boxes I've ever disassembled (many). The amusing thing is that the installation of this Sound Blaster card has had a peculiar side effect on the internal acoustics of the box. The cooling fan and everything else inside the box is much louder now.

I am no longer having those irritating sounds, which is in fact a very good thing as I use this computer to listen to MP3 files that I then dictate into Dragon, as my main means of support. This should make it considerably less excruciating to listen to them than it has been lately. Nonetheless, the DragonBar is still showing approximately one quarter or a fifth. It is still in the yellow, but it still indicates there is some kind of sound input even when the microphone is muted. I have not actually solicited input regarding whether this is to be expected or not, however. Now is this in fact normal? Does the DragonBar actually indicate sound input when the microphone is shut off for other people as well, I wonder? if I may have any feedback regarding that question it would be also appreciated.

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PPS: "Sho nuff" indicates you might either be a Mississipian and/or a Faulkner fan!

well, does Louisiana count? BTW, it has been very sad to watch my old neighborhood possibly destroyed. But if anybody can be credited with my having used the phrase, sho-nuff, I would prefer it be a attributed to Lord Buckley, the greatest American standup comedian of all time.

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frog_jr wrote:Back on topic,

frog_jr wrote:

Back on topic, Dragon's little noise gauge is always displaying about a 1/4 to 1/3 level of sound no matter what is going on in the room. Now this is a closed, quiet room, with a window AC that I sometimes turn off when dictating, but it doesn't seem to make much difference. Opening the window makes more. But this noise-o-meter on the Dragon bar doesn't seem to ever go down below about 25%. Test: I switch the mic to "mute." This nose level doesn't go down.

I know that when I listen to the line out from the sound chip, probably a Realtek like most other motherboards I have built, I hear all kinds of horrid noises at high volumes, whenever I click, scroll, minimize a window, do virtually anything in the GUI, it makes corresponding static-ey rumbling, buzzing, beeping noises -- which are not so noticable at lower volumes, BTW.

I had thought my purchasing a USB sound pod from Martin would circumvent this noise, and in fact, these rumblings etc. don't appear to affect the noise-o-meter on the dragon bar.

I also have other devices on the same AC circuit. I tried unplugging them all or switching them off. No apparent result. the only things I left on were the monitor, which is in fact on a different circuit, and the KVM switch I use when I run more than one computer at a time. I admit either of these could also be a source of noise.

So I begin to wonder vaguely about the topic of "electrical noise," and whether there is anything one can or should do in this way regarding that in order to maximize the clarity of the sound, or signal that you SR app receives. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Tad.

Tad,

First, in the audio setup wizard, Quality Check screen, when you are looking at the graph there are a few things that you need to keep in mind.

1. The height of the green bars is not anything you should worry about. Some microphones will show higher initial registering of green than others. This is not based on noise. This is based on the initial bias voltage of the microphone element. Some microphones have higher bias voltages than others. Therefore you will see some microphones with a very low green bar graphic display, and others will be, as you have noted, about a quarter of an inch at initialization. The Sennheiser ME-3 connected to and running through a USB pod will typically initialize at this level. This is normal and it is OK because it doesn't mean anything with regard to your signal to noise ratio, or, as it is referred to in this screen, Quality Check Ratio.

2. The Quality Check Ratio, or, more technically correct--the Speech-to-noise ratio, is simply a measure. This part of the audio setup wizard does not make any changes or adjustments to the initial microphone adjustment done in the previous screen. It simply shows you how your speech is impacted by that setting. It is a measure only of the output from the digital signal processor (whether that be the soundcard or the USB device).

3. What you need to be concerned about is the relationship between the green section of the graph and the yellow section of the graph as you speak during the measurement of the Speech-to-noise ratio (Quality Check Ratio). The greater the difference between the green and yellow, and the lower the level of the yellow, combined with the Speech-to-noise ratio that is calculated at the end of this dialog is what tells you a lot about what is going on with the sound quality in your system. If the graph is mostly green, and the yellow is very low, then regardless of the actual Quality Check Ratio, or Speech-to-noise ratio, it is showing you that the quality of your speech is high or good. If the height of the bars in yellow is significant (i.e. greater than and 8 to a quarter of an inch) and the measured distance between the bottom of the green and the top of the yellow is small (i.e., relatively speaking) then the ability of Dragon NaturallySpeaking® clearly distinguish between your speech and what is being represented by the yellow as noise will be less than optimal. For example, with the Audigy 2 ZS soundcard, the Sennheiser ME-3, and the Andrea USB pod will typically produce an initialization level approximately 1/8 to 1 quarter of an inch in height virtually all green. After measuring the Quality Check Ratio, the height of the yellow bars, although variable, is only approximately 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch, while the green, less the yellow, is about 1 to 1 & 1/4 inches. The Quality Check Ratio (Speech-to-noise ratio) for the Sennheiser ME-3 under this set up ranges between 26 and 30, and the quality of speech when dictating and playing back is excellent with no extraneous background noise. This is how you should view these last 2 screens of the audio setup wizard.

4. The graph in the Quality Check screen of the Audio Setup Wizard represents the various sampled frequencies. The far left side represents the lower frequencies and the far right side represents the higher frequencies. If you see yellow spikes in the first 2 or 3 bars at the far left, you are likely getting low-frequency electromagnetic interference (EMI) from somewhere. This can come from the microphone, from the soundcard, or because the cabling that you're using for the microphone and/or the USB pod is not shielded. Or, it is possible that your cabling is running through an area I in the vicinity of some EMI/EMF source. I have had this happen for all of these reasons from time to time. If you are getting spikes in any of the other areas, depending upon where the spikes occur along this graph from left to right is any indication of the frequency of that noise interference. As the spikes are located further and further to the right, they are generally coming from higher frequency noise interference sources. For example, wireless microphones very often suffer a significant high-frequency EMF interference from large bank fluorescent lighting. Although this is very uncommon with close talk microphones, this is the type of source that produces the higher frequency noise distortions. Most of the spikes tend to occur are between the center of the graph and the far left. As they show up further and further to the right between these 2 basic measurement points, the noise becomes more and more audible. This is where I think your hissing, buzzing, etc. sounds are coming from. These are generally due to the amplification of the input signal which is amplifying some type of electrical interference at these frequencies. However, keep in mind that the spikes in this range are being caused by saying is that you are identifying as “static” and are not generally low level EMI/EMF. The lower level spikes at the first 2 bars in the graph are generally inaudible because they generally occur at a frequency level below the normal level of hearing. These can be caused by shorts in your microphone cable, a bad microphone element (or in some cases a poor one), or a low level electromagnetic hum. Regardless, if you see spikes in these first 2 bars at the far left, you are not likely to hear anything during playback because of the nature of this type of noise source. However, and oscilloscope would pick these up and would show you specifically at what frequency they are occurring. Generally, this is usually from 20 to somewhere below 100 kHz. In other words, this is typically electrical noise, like the hum of a transformer. I won't go into great technical detail on what causes these types of things because that would entail a discussion of electronic theory and concepts well beyond the scope of the average user. Suffice it to say that when electrons flow through a device with a specific type of impedance or resistance, the electrons that are flowing create friction. The greater the friction, the greater the electrical interference that can be noticed in audio circuitry. This can take many forms.

I hope that this gives you some basic idea of how to evaluate how well your microphone/soundcard combination, or microphone/USB combination, is working. Again, it is more important to understand the relationships in the grass part of the quality check screen in the audio setup wizard, then it is to place too great an emphasis on the actual Speech-to-noise ratio (Quality Check Ratio).

Chuck Runquist
Former SDK and technical solutions product/project manager for Dragon NaturallySpeaking® (L&H 1998 to 2002.

There is a screen shot

There is a screen shot illustrating an ideal Quality Check from the Dragon Audio Setup at:
http://www.itspeaking.co.uk (scroll down the page)

This was using a modified Sennheiser ME-3 and a VXi USB pod (ASW of 26)

Graham Hendry

Graham, I don't see any

Graham, I don't see any screenshot on that page. Have they moved it somewhere else?

Karl My apologies the URL

Karl
My apologies the URL shold be http://www.itspeaking.com/speech-product.asp?prod=...

I shouldn't post late at night!

Graham

Thanks, Graham. But my

Thanks, Graham. But my signal-to-noise graph doesn't look that green yet.

I just replaced the DNS el cheapo headset plugged into the onboard el cheapo soundcard with:
Sennheiser ME-3, Parrott USB Pod, M Audio Delta soundcard

I created New User for the new microphone, although I could find no Dragon NaturallySpeaking documentation suggesting that. Then trained the new user, including advanced training with Mark Twain and Dave Berry, then saved user file. Speech-to-noise ratio is now a meager 24.

Microphone placement: Since the Sennheiser is highly directional and exact placement critical, I would like more precise placement instructions.

Karl

Karl wrote:Thanks, Graham.

Karl wrote:

Thanks, Graham. Speech-to-noise ratio is now a meager 24.
Microphone placement: Since the Sennheiser is highly directional and exact placement critical, I would like more precise placement instructions.
Karl

22-24 is the proper signal noise ratio for Sennheiser Headset on Dragon NaturallySpeaking audio setup wizard. Active noise canceling microphones at the Andrea ANC microphones and highly directional pickup pattern microphones like the Sennheiser's will always yield lower numbers than cheapo microphones because the audio is somewhat muted while performing its noise canceling magic. In no way does this affect accuracy.

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The best microphones for Speech Recognition
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Good to know. Thank you,

Good to know. Thank you, Martin. And thanks, Graham for that correction.

Chuck, this is great input.

Chuck, this is great input. Thanks a lot! Now, I was initally speaking regarding the volume meter shown on the dragonbar after one has finished the setup procudure, but you are giving me something to work with regardless. Perhaps this is the best way of figuring this out, perhaps the only, I don't know. But I will try within the next 24 hrs. I am going to have to try a new user and keep this all in mind while setting up. BTW, when you said "in the grass part of the quality check screen" you were referring to the first part of it, yes? or gross part? (Proofreader from Hell, son of Operator from Hell)

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frog_jr wrote:Chuck, this is

frog_jr wrote:

Chuck, this is great input. Thanks a lot! Now, I was initally speaking regarding the volume meter shown on the dragonbar after one has finished the setup procudure, but you are giving me something to work with regardless. Perhaps this is the best way of figuring this out, perhaps the only, I don't know. But I will try within the next 24 hrs. I am going to have to try a new user and keep this all in mind while setting up. BTW, when you said "in the grass part of the quality check screen" you were referring to the first part of it, yes? or gross part? (Proofreader from Hell, son of Operator from Hell)

Just one of the interesting Speeko's that occurr from time to time when you are dictating and you are tired. I didn't bother to proof. Should have been "green."

Chuck

Chuck, I thank you again.

Chuck, I thank you again. Everybody at this site is great! I just attempted creating a new user, and took a snapshot of the graph you were referrring to. It is here if you want to see it. Do you think that looks like anything unusual? I would guess not.

I have gotten a lot of great input from others here, and I would respond to more than one right here rather than 3 or 4 replies. One is that the use of a different USB jack didn't affect anything. Another, that my mic in doesn't appear to be working in front or back. I am going to disable the front audio connectors, I guess.

And third, I notice that Skip suggested that if it is a problem with the PS or the mobo grounding, the alternatives I considered wouldn't be useful -- id est: pci soundcard, 16 bit soundblaster usb pod. Skip, I might just try these anyway. After all the effort to get this box up and running I want to see it work well. I could also try a different PS. Of course getting a ps that fits this case is a major pain, and Shuttle is very reluctant to sell individual parts. but I might be first inclined to blame the ps.

Finally, the constant noise I am hearing at higher volumes on this mobo sounds to me like mostly a high-pitched static and a keening noise almost too high to hear. Here is a pic of what Total Recorder sees.

this added 15 min later: I

this added 15 min later: I have now disabled the front audio connectors and I am having no noticable improvement. So I will be reconnecting them, and sometime in the next few minutes installing a soundblaster Live PCI as my next experiment. I hope to make this guy work well, for crying out loud! -- scratch that for today. I have to get some stuff done. I will update as I try stuff. cheers, tad

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And third, I notice that Skip suggested that if it is a problem with the PS or the mobo grounding, the alternatives I considered wouldn't be useful -- id est: pci soundcard, 16 bit soundblaster usb pod. Skip, I might just try these anyway. After all the effort to get this box up and running I want to see it work well. I could also try a different PS. Of course getting a ps that fits this case is a major pain, and Shuttle is very reluctant to sell individual parts. but I might be first inclined to blame the ps.

Getting as much data as possible (i.e., a purely empirical approach) is a desideratum. Don't assume anything in the problem-solving phase.

It is generally possible to hook up a power supply without sticking it into the box, which could help to diagnose that problem without actually buying a new one. I can tell you will be able to rig this up with only minimal blue smoke and white spark side-show Smiling

BTW, the TR graph shows a lot of signal below 300Hz, which generally doesn't help people trying to comprehend speech. I'm not sure whether it bothers SR, but it is standard when digitizing audio tapes to use a bandpass filter to minimize noise below 300Hz and above 3KHz. Unfortunately, there isn't a practical suggestion arising from this observation, but maybe someone else can suggest something.

Bruce

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Getting as much data as possible (i.e., a purely empirical approach) is a desideratum. Don't assume anything in the problem-solving phase.

Thanks, good advice. the PCI soundcard may still make it onboard before dawn. I am now proofing the 94 ppg transcript I generated since last post. This noise isn't entirely crippling my machine, that's for sure. (but I'm still proofing. "Public Comet Period" was one good one so far.)

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It is generally possible to hook up a power supply without sticking it into the box, which could help to diagnose that problem without actually buying a new one. I can tell you will be able to rig this up with only minimal blue smoke and white spark side-show :-)

Hey, you know. If it catches on fire, at least I have plenty of beer on hand to put it out.

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BTW, the TR graph shows a lot of signal below 300Hz, which generally doesn't help people trying to comprehend speech.

That graph was the computer at a standstill, did I mention that? That was just the static noise of the system, far as I can tell.

You know, BTW, is it a possibility that any one peripheral or component may be a cause of this static, more likely than another? I was originally suspecting the hard drive, since the static I hear, or however you call it becomes so loud with hard drive activity. But I now guess that is more likely the general system noise, and may not be even a direct result of the HD. Might be all from the motherboard.

frog_jr, > is it a

frog_jr,

> is it a possibility that any one peripheral or component may be a cause of this static,

Why not try an inexpensive USB sound pod. It sits outside the computer (does not pickup internal noise), is portable, and as they are designed for SR, focus mostly on the lower frequencies of the human voice not musical instruments. Here is a link to an excellent full duplex Buddy USB 5G:
http://www.emicrophones.com/microphones/prod_detai...

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The best microphones for Speech Recognition
See us at: http://www.eMicrophones.com/index.asp
Read, "Key Steps to High Speech Recognition Accuracy" at:
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Thank you, Martin. I

Thank you, Martin. I already have one, and guess who I bought it from! lol

Frog, If you are getting

Frog,

If you are getting noise with both the onboard and USB soundcards I would suspect some kind of radio interference. What does the sound playback of a short Windows Sound Recorder recording created at CD-Quality sound like? Is there any obvious interference? Here are easy to follow directions to run the recording test:
http://www.emicrophones.com/docDetails.asp?Documen...

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The best microphones for Speech Recognition
See us at: http://www.eMicrophones.com/index.asp
Read, "Key Steps to High Speech Recognition Accuracy" at:
http://www.emicrophones.com/docDetails.asp?Documen...

Martin, thanks for your

Martin, thanks for your input. here is a sample of exactly what it sounds like. I recorded this with Total Recorder, 44100 sample rate, 16 bit mono, wav, about 5 seconds. Pls give it a listen if you think it might offer any insight.

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frog_jr wrote:Martin, thanks

frog_jr wrote:

Martin, thanks for your input. here is a sample of exactly what it sounds like. I recorded this with Total Recorder, 44100 sample rate, 16 bit mono, wav, about 5 seconds. Pls give it a listen if you think it might offer any insight.

That is switching noise. It's either from the buss or power supply bypassing. Probably a bad capacitor somewhere.

Boy that was a fast

Boy that was a fast prognosis. Tell me, it wouldn't be anything like the AC from the wall would it? Just trying to rule out things. And if it is as you say, I guess you would still believe that the addition of a different audio device wouldn't make a difference, yes?

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Whatever you put in that

Whatever you put in that uses the machines power or couples to the buss (like a pc card and maybe the USB adapter) will have the same noise applied to it. It may be possible that it's caused by a ground loop but not likely. I'd check my power plug for polarity just in case though.

It sounds loud enough that it may actually ride on your voice and make it harder to recognize by software.

It may be worth giving Marty a call to see if he can help minimize it, after all he does this all day long. Laughing out loud

I reckon I shall do that.

I reckon I shall do that. As I just mentioned to Bruce however the installation of the Sound Blaster live has in fact eliminated those noises. this is not the first time that I have heard these horrid sounds using an AC 97 sound chip. I was once very proud to have built up a very small mini ITX computer in order to use it as a digital recorder. unfortunately, it necessitated running the line and at a pretty high level so as not to turn up the volume very high and pick up all this crap. These sounds generally only appear at high volume, but I often have the volume turned up pretty high.

And by the way, I just attempted creating a new user also using the USB soundcard. The problem replicated itself once again.

I'm going to have to go off-line now and give up on this problem for the time being. I'll get back with that sometime tomorrow. Cheers, Tad

Why weren't you talking so

Why weren't you talking so there would be a level to compare against? There is definitely unwanted noise. Does not sound like radio interference.

Send me an E-mail with your phone #. I will walk you though a couple of things.

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The best microphones for Speech Recognition
See us at: http://www.eMicrophones.com/index.asp
Read, "Key Steps to High Speech Recognition Accuracy" at:
http://www.emicrophones.com/docDetails.asp?Documen...

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Why weren't you talking so there would be a level to compare against?

Answer: Because the recorder selects one audio input at a time, and this noise doesn't record when the USB pod is selected.

I have been assuming however that there is some relationship between the sound I hear and the noise level showing in the dragon bar. I may be mistaken.

I also am assuming that not everybody has the volume meter on the dragon bar showing a volume level when there is no input, but i could be mistaken. Maybe this is normal. and if so, I would like to know about it from somebody.

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frog_jr wrote:I know that

frog_jr wrote:

I know that when I listen to the line out from the sound chip, probably a Realtek like most other motherboards I have built, I hear all kinds of horrid noises at high volumes, whenever I click, scroll, minimize a window, do virtually anything in the GUI, it makes corresponding static-ey rumbling, buzzing, beeping noises -- which are not so noticable at lower volumes, BTW.

I had thought my purchasing a USB sound pod from Martin would circumvent this noise, and in fact, these rumblings etc. don't appear to affect the noise-o-meter on the dragon bar.

It's been a long time since I've gotten this techie, so it may not be 100% accurate and I could be way off-base as well. What you are hearing is there because the built-in sound chip lives on the cpu/memory buss. Those are normal digital sounds, however one would think they would be bypassed to prevent the noise.

The problem really could be one of three places - the motherboard is improperly bypassed, the power supply has insufficient filtering or the motherboard has a poor grounding system.

One of those is probably why it's giving the noise. It will be there no matter what you do or what you use if it's one of those.

Perhaps you could call the factory to see if this is a normal occurence on that mobo/chipset/case combo?

Also, have you tried the "Record at CD quality using Windoze Sound Recorder" then listening to it? You can do this with a microphone in and with nothing plugged in. It could tell a lot.

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