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VV 10.5: Appearance of unwanted spaces using correction window
Submitted by geogriggs on Thu, 08/18/2005 - 18:50.
With 10.5 but not with 10.0, an annoyance has surfaced, i.e. the insertion of unwanted spaces, only with use of the correction window.
It seems to occur with numbers longer than two digits, including dates.
For example if I dictate August 18th 2005, it should put August 18, 2005. But occasionally it will get it wrong and put August 18th 2005. Usually the correct form, August 18, 2005 is listed as the first choice in the correction window. If I select it it will put August 18, 2 00 5, even though there were no spaces in the correction window. It happens with all other numbers. For example eight hundred milligrams would appear as 800 mg in correction window, but on selecting that choice, it puts 8 00 mg.
A second place where it puts spaces is in words with an apostrophe. (I do realize that I should be dictating "apostrophe-s, or s-apostrophe" but I often forget). And with some words there is never an occasion to use the non-possessive form.
For example I dictated a new phrase "Prinzmetal's angina". I even created a dictation macro, but when selecting it in the correction window it put "Prinzmetal ' s angina", even though the spaces are not present in the dictation macro, or in the display in the correction window. If it recognizes the macro correctly, there is no problem, only with the correction window.
I'd be interested if others have noted the same thing and if there is any solution.
George
VV. Correction Window problems
I have had absolutely no problems with this. I tried the same words and numbers that you used, although my default would read 18 August 2005. I did this using the correction window, and it came up exactly as it appears in the last sentence.
It could well be that there might be some glitch in the US version, but I have never experienced it with the UK version.
As regards the problems with the apostrophe, I have never had this experience. Generally it usually puts the apostrophe where I want it in context, but where it does not I always say apostrophe s or s apostrophe where it is needed. Again this could be a glitch in the US version.
In the five months that I have been officially using 10.5, I have had no problems other than ones which relate to XP SP 2 in my laptop. My Desktop works perfectly all the time.
Any problems which I experience are generally caused by poor enunciation.
Quentin
VV 10.5 Unwanted spaces
>I have had absolutely no problems with this. I tried the same words and numbers that you used, although my >default would read 18 August 2005. I did this using the correction window, and it came up exactly as it appears >in the last sentence.
Quentin,
Interesting. I agree that the need to make corrections is usually because of poor enunciation, except with new words.
I'm dictating into speakpad. Are you?
I haven't tried dictating into Word.
George
VV-dictating into Word
I do all my dictating directly into Word and copy and paste into whatever application I'm using. I find this is quicker, since all facilities of ViaVoice are available in Word. In fact I have never used Speakpad during the entire time I have used ViaVoice since 1998.
I also keep my Correction Window open all the time, sizing and locating it to suit the document and size of screen availability.
I have made about 60 macros for use in Word – the only problem is that I can never remember more than a few of them. I did printout a list of them, but the list keeps disappearing under files and etc.
Quentin
crivon1 wrote:I do all my
I do all my dictating directly into Word and copy and paste into whatever application I'm using. I find this is quicker, since all facilities of ViaVoice are available in Word. In fact I have never used Speakpad during the entire time I have used ViaVoice since 1998.
I also keep my Correction Window open all the time, sizing and locating it to suit the document and size of screen availability.
Quentin
I tried dictating into Word with the hope that spaces would not be a problem. However, the correction window didn't work well. When attempting to make a correction with an unrecognized word, the dialog box appeared with the new word, with "record" etc. grayed out and the message "trying to add word". The system seemed to lock up for almost a minute. I could go back to the correction window, but never could record a pronunciation for the unrecognized word. Finally it did accept the correction (without recording a pronunciation). The extra space again appeared. (800 mg appeared as 8 00 mg). Also location of the correction window was not as easy as with Speakpad, as I kept having to move it around to keep from obscuring the text. I will probably continue with Speakpad, copying from it into Word for final printout unless I can see clear benefit.
I am puzzled, but appreciate your help. Thank you.
George
George wrote: "When
George wrote: "When attempting to make a correction with an unrecognized word, the dialog box appeared with the new word, with "record" etc. grayed out and the message "trying to add word". The system seemed to lock up for almost a minute. I could go back to the correction window, but never could record a pronunciation for the unrecognized word. Finally it did accept the correction (without recording a pronunciation). The extra space again appeared. (800 mg appeared as 8 00 mg). Also location of the correction window was not as easy as with Speakpad, as I kept having to move it around to keep from obscuring the text."
I have never seen any of these problems during the entire time I have used ViaVoice in Word.
What are your computer's specifications? This might answer a lot.
As regards the location and size of the correction window, this can be adjusted for size and location and of course the number of alternative words. What size screen are you using? Personally, I have no trouble with my laptop 15.4 or my Desktop 15 inch TFT. However I do have 4 toolbars at the top my screen, so consequently only the first line of text becomes obscured with the Correction Window, and this can be avoided by shortening the size of the Correction Window.
Quentin
crivon1 wrote: I have never
I have never seen any of these problems during the entire time I have used ViaVoice in Word.
What are your computer's specifications? This might answer a lot.
As regards the location and size of the correction window, this can be adjusted for size and location and of course the number of alternative words. What size screen are you using? Personally, I have no trouble with my laptop 15.4 or my Desktop 15 inch TFT. However I do have 4 toolbars at the top my screen, so consequently only the first line of text becomes obscured with the Correction Window, and this can be avoided by shortening the size of the Correction Window.
Quentin
I never had such problems with VV 7 or with VV 10.0. I have an IBM Thinkpad T41 with Pentium M processor running at 1.6 GHz, 768 MB of RAM, with OS WinXP Pro SP2, with 14.1 inch TFT display. I have had it for about a year and ran VV 10.0 without any such problems. I have Word 2003 and upgraded to VV 10.5 with the thought I might want to dictate into Word 2003 and also for the ability to see added words in alphabetical order.
With Speakpad I can have a very wide correction window. With Word 2003 I have not been able to find a good place for it unless I reduce the display size to about 80% which makes it hard to read.
I do the great majority of my dictations with transcription from an audio file which I convert from my Olympus DS-2000 digital recorder, with Sennheiser microphone. I make corrections directly (rather than through the recorder) with the Plantronics DSP-300 headset which has always seemed to work fine (ever since I started using VV 10.0).
Thanks for your help and any suggestions.
George
George, It may well be
George,
It may well be that there are some unwanted remnants of previous installations still in your computer.
My suggestion is that you uninstall ViaVoice and reinstall it.
Somewhere, and I cannot find it, and it may be on this site or it may be in the old ViaVoice Group, I suggested how to reinstall with full back-up of everything.
Since I cannot find it, I set it out now:-
Using My Computer or Windows Explorer, go to C: \ Documents and Settings \ [your user name] \ Applications \ IBM \ ViaVoice \ Users \ [your user folder]. Copy your user folder to a safe place on your hard disc.
Open ViaVoice, go to Tools \ Work with Dictation Macros \ Edit \ Select All. Then click on File \ Export, and export your macros to a safe place on hard disk.
Go to the Navigation Macros \ File \ Export, and export your personally made macros to a safe place on hard disk.
Close ViaVoice and reboot. Uninstall VV using Control Panel Add Remove Programs. Reboot.
Explore the ViaVoice installation CD, and you will see Support \ ViaClean. Hit ViaClean and let it clean out all ViaVoice and your user files.
Using a Registry cleaners such as RegScrubXP or Registry Mechanic, clean out all unwanted Registry entries. Reboot.
Do a clean installation of ViaVoice 10.5. Do not start up when installation is complete.
Go to your user backup folder saved on your hard disk. Copy it and paste it in C: \ Documents and Settings \ [your user name] \ Applications \ IBM \ ViaVoice \ Users.
Go to Control Panel \ IBM ViaVoice Options. Click on User, and select your user folder and apply.
Whilst you're in there, set up all your other preferences in Voice, Command Sets, Direct Dictation and etc.
In Command Sets, make sure that Word Dictation and Word Natural Commands are checked. I do not check Active Programs since I found that on doing this, my computer slowed up. (This just may be my computer. ) I found that I do not need this facility.
Apply all changes and close.
Now open ViaVoice. You may get messages regarding the speech recogniser not recognising the language or some similar objection to opening. Just click OK on each of the pop-ups that appear. When these all disappear, and open ViaVoice. It will find your user with no problem.
Set up your audio at this stage.
Now you will want to import your macros. Simply reverse the importing procedure.
Whilst you're in the navigation macros, delete any unwanted programmes that you do not use, and this will save resources. For example you will find Outlook Express 5 and 6. Delete the macros for the one you do not use.
You are now up and running again.
I have had to do this a few times when my XP SP 2 did funny things to ViaVoice after loading new programmes. The entire procedure never took more than a maximum of 15 minutes.
Quentin
crivon1 wrote:George,
George,
It may well be that there are some unwanted remnants of previous installations still in your computer.
My suggestion is that you uninstall ViaVoice and reinstall it.
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Using a Registry cleaners such as RegScrubXP or Registry Mechanic, clean out all unwanted Registry entries. Reboot.
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I have had to do this a few times when my XP SP 2 did funny things to ViaVoice after loading new programmes. The entire procedure never took more than a maximum of 15 minutes.
Quentin
Quentin,
I have made a record of your advice, which I will follow when I get a few days when I can be sure that all goes smoothly with the unintstall/reinstall process. While 15 minutes may do it for you, I confess to being a bit intimidated by the process. I need VV for my daily work and worry about my not being able to get it back up and running if something goes wrong. I do have Acronis True Image with which I should be able to restore the system if something bad happens. (I don't know whether it was you or someone else in the group suggested using that. I've never used it to restore my system but it is supposed to work.)
However I don't have either of the "registry cleaners" that you suggest. I have Norton SystemWorks which I run fairly regularly. Will that do the same thing, or should I get one that you suggest?
It will probably be Labor Day (September 5th) before I have a day where I can try your suggestion. I will let you know how it goes.
Thank you.
George
George, Once you have
George,
Once you have made the backups that I specified, you will have no problems reinstalling.
I know nothing about Norton, since I do not use it. You would want to see if there is a Registry cleaner included as part of its programme.
I would recommend downloading RegScrub as it is a most useful tool, and will clear-out any unwanted registry entries.
The other alternative is to do it painfully by using an Regedit (Start \ Run \ [type] Regedit. (Before doing this, make a back-up copy of your Registry.) Make sure " My Computer" at the top of the menu is highlighted. Click-on Edit \ Find. Type "ViaVoice", and every time an entry is highlighted right-click, delete and enter. Press F3 for the search to continue and repeat the performance every time there is a highlighted entry. Repeat the entire process for IBM and VV. However in both of these cases, make sure that what you are deleting each time is ViaVoice related. As everyone will advise you, working within the Registry does have its risks, and if you are not confident about this, don't do it.
I have to say that you would be far better using RegScrub, and when using it, run it three times, as it does not clear-out everything the first time.
As an alternative to all this, you could leave the Registry alone, and simply try a reinstall, restore the backups as indicated earlier, and see if the problem is solved. If it is not, simply do the uninstallation again, but this time use the Registry cleaner.
Quentin