Windows 7 32 bit (beta) and DNS 10
I successfully installed the Windows 7 (32 bit beta) on my Sony VAIO desktop (Pentium 4 2.6ghz with 1mb of RAM). Then I attempted to install Dragon Naturally Speaking Preferred 10 from DVD. During the install, either Dragon or Windows 7 lost connection with the DVD reader. I cancelled the install and subsequently copied the install files to a folder on the C: drive and started the install. It went flawlessly. I cranked up DNS 10 and went thru the mic check and initial training. It works and without having put DNS 10 into a Windows 7 compatibility mode. (i.e.,win2k, winxp, or win vista mode). I don't have MS Office on the Windows 7 machine, so I dictated into DragonPad and into AOL Instant Messenger. All went flawlessly. That's all I've tested so far.
Pen
Vista codebase
Windows 7's codebase is shared with Vista so there is no reason why it shouldn't work - of course as I am sure you are aware, it is certainly not supported yet!
Most of the changes are refinements of the existing OS, it is certainly not going to be the quantum leap change that we experienced going from XP to Vista.
I've also installed it, and most notably on a 5 year old laptop, the only downside being that it doesn't have enough power to run the Aero interface.
Looks good, but then I liked Vista....
Vista codebase
It appears to be diet Vista. It runs at least as fast as XP. (My perceptions not scientific). Mikey likes it.
Penrod wrote: Mikey likes
Mikey likes it.
But Mikey likes ANYTHING.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
admin wrote: Penrod
Mikey likes it.
But Mikey likes ANYTHING.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I forgot that part of the commercial. LOL.
Who or what is "Mikey"?
Mikey likes it.
But Mikey likes ANYTHING.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Who or what is "Mikey"?
Is this another one of the many acronyms that keep appearing on this site?
This site, like almost every other one as well as hard-copy reading material, is getting full of acronyms and gobbledegook which are almost unintelligible to many, if not most, readers. Personally I find I have to Google acronyms to find out what they mean, and that is a total waste of time.
With SR, there is no excuse for using acronyms, since it is no effort to speak the full name of an acronym. Is it laziness, or a reluctance to utilise screen space?
As regards gobbledegook, it is totally unnecessary. It is generally based on a reluctance to use, or an ignorance of, the English language. This seems to have emanated principally in the United States of America, and has spread throughout the world due to United States of America influence. Most of it is obvious United States of America government policy to obfuscate its policies and to confuse readers or listeners, and the United States of America government, starting from the top, with the almost unintelligible and soon to be gone President of the United States of America, bear the principal blame.
One would hope that the new United States of America President, who speaks with such intelligence and erudition, will declare war on acronyms and gobbledegook, and bring the world back to its proper level of understanding.
Quentin
P.S. This has been amended to correct a lot of errors that crept in and that I have only just noticed
there is no excuse for using acronyms
OK......I meant Okay. I have arthritis in my fingers, and my Dragon version ten doesn't work with the sixty-four binary digit ful word size version of Vista, which came on my new laptop, so I find acronyms a convenient way to decrease the pain of typing. Someone on another thread has tested WSR...oops..I meant Windows Speech Recognition that comes free with Vista. It works with the sixty-four binary digit full word size version of Vista.
I am excited about the soon to be released sixty-four binary digit full word size version of Dragon Naturally Speaking version ten. It is slated to be released this month.
Pen
Penrod wrote:
... so I find acronyms a convenient way to decrease the pain of typing.
Pen,
It was not you that I was criticising, but the general use, particularly on this site, of acronyms and gobbledegook by others (no names but they, themselves, know to who I am referring)
Quentin
acronyms
The use of many acronyms on blogs and forums came from a period of time when broadband did not exist for the masses and phone modems were the only way the average person could connect to the internet. To communicate over such a slow medium, users developed acronyms therby passing fewer characters of data through the phone lines. Instead of saying laughing out loud (17 characters), one could use lol (3 chars). Or BRB instead of be right back.
Many of my generation served in the military and got a daily dose of acronyms. For instance I was in the USMC and my MOS was 0844. That was handy shorthand. It says that I was in the United States Marine Corps and my military occupational specialty was Field Artillery Fire Direction Control Specialist. It made for a lot less typing and needless to say, we needed less file drawers for paper work.
I won't say too much the early days of computing, but I started out on an IBM/360 30 with 64K of core under DOS/VS. I won't interpret those for you. Us old guys who were there can just snicker and reminisce.
crivon1 wrote: Penrod
Mikey likes it.
But Mikey likes ANYTHING.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Who or what is "Mikey"?
This would be obscure for someone in another country. The name "Mikey" references a young boy in a television cereal commercial. The cereal was new and "good for you" so the children decide to test the new cereal with Mikey. Then one of the children would say "But Mikey Likes Anything". Mikey liked the cereal so one of the children excitedly says "Mikey Likes It!".
Apparently effective advertisement as it's been a great many years since I've seen it and I can still replay it in my mind. Odd that I don't remember the cereal name brand. I keep thinking it was "Life" cereal. Guess I was right.
The video of this commercial can be seen at YouTube
The Internet has become a wayback machine. (reference to a time machine from a cartoon series)
Skip, Thanks for the
Skip,
Thanks for the explanation. Even though I am an old guy, being on the other side of the pond, I never came across such an advertisement. What about the young guys!
I am old-fashioned, and I can recall in the days when I used a pen, acronyms were not in vogue. Now that was painful!
Even today, even those that have to type laboriously (as opposed to us), Word, and I presume most other word-processing programmes, have AutoText or similar, and there is no reason why the full name of an acronym cannot be inserted in AutoText, so that a typed acronym would automatically result in the full name appearing on screen, and thus on to hard copy.
I recently watched the video of Prince Harry (third in the line to the United Kingdom monarchy) where he was giving orders to his army platoon, and some of his speech was unintelligible to non-army viewers, but presumably was fully understood by his men who had been trained in the relevant acronyms that he was using.
I know that we have become accustomed on this site to speech-recognition acronyms such as SR and WSR. How many visitors are familiar with them and understand the nuances of the gobbledegook used?
Quentin
In context
Acronyms tend to be more meaningful in context. Here's a few you may remember. I had, in my younger days an Austin-Healey Sprite produced by BMC and a Gold-Star model motorcycle produce by BSA. I watch the BBC news on public television.
I think we've run this thread into the ground. Perhaps a link could be put on the right side of the page which would pop up a page of commonly used acronyms that might be used in chatting, computing and voice recognition, so that non-technical folks could have easy access to their meanings. (I'm out of breath with that sentence) ROLOL.
crivon1 wrote: I recently
I recently watched the video of Prince Harry (third in the line to the United Kingdom monarchy) where he was giving orders to his army platoon, and some of his speech was unintelligible to non-army viewers, but presumably was fully understood by his men who had been trained in the relevant acronyms that he was using.
Quentin
Oh, yeah, the one with "Paki" and "raghead" -- time-immortalized military slang
Bruce
Life Cereal
I think they were trying to get kids off of coco puffs, sugar frosted flakes, etc. and onto healthier carbs. Thank you for the YouTube link.
Penrod wrote: I think they
I think they were trying to get kids off of coco puffs, sugar frosted flakes, etc. and onto healthier carbs. Thank you for the YouTube link.
You see, I think they were trying to push a product and make money. To me the "health" angle was just that -- an angle, not a particular commitment to good nutrition. Almost all manufactured food is junk that is pushed by a constant stream of advertising. And it works! Look at the epidemic of obesity rampant in America.
If I were dictator, I would draft all these fat-asses into the Marine Corps and let these two immovable masses have at each other -- let the burn out their madness on each other. But then, I'm not likely to be drafted for dictator and I obviously couldn't buy an election. Also, the more than half the responsibility lies with the corporations, who have all the info and resources and one-way communication with people -- sort of like M$ with its near monopoly of the OS market, as it were.
What I can't figure out is why someone would voluntarily push a corporation's product without getting paid for the work -- seems like a description of a free-for-all sex-worker to me
Bruce
You see
You see, I think they were trying to push a product and make money. Also, the more than half the responsibility lies with the corporations, who have all the info and resources and one-way communication with people -- sort of like M$ with its near monopoly of the OS market, as it were.
"There's a time when the operations of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to indicate to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machines will be prevented from working at all".
Mario Savio Berkeley, CA. 1960's
Penrod wrote: BruceCyr
You see, I think they were trying to push a product and make money. Also, the more than half the responsibility lies with the corporations, who have all the info and resources and one-way communication with people -- sort of like M$ with its near monopoly of the OS market, as it were.
"There's a time when the operations of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to indicate to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machines will be prevented from working at all".
Mario Savio Berkeley, CA. 1960's
An ex-jarhead who still guides his life by Mario Savio's sayings!! Most of us from that era more or less have gotten on with other things, like families and the war on terrorism.
You are one seriously weird dude. I bet you get real straight when you start drinking though
If you ever have a question or observation regarding some SR product, it will be interesting.
Bruce
SR topic
If you ever have a question or observation regarding some SR product, it will be interesting.
Bruce
Here's an SR topic. How do you feel about Nuance grabbing up Dragon, ViaVoice, and Lernout & Hauspie? They sort of cornered the market on SR. Near monopoly? Or will WSR prevent that from happening?
Pen
Penrod wrote: How do you
How do you feel about Nuance grabbing up Dragon, ViaVoice, and Lernout & Hauspie? They sort of cornered the market on SR. Near monopoly? Or will WSR prevent that from happening?
Pen
There's been a lot said re: that topic here and on VoiceGroups, our predecessor. The real key to this process was when Warburg/Pincus became ScanSoft/Nuance's SugarDaddy. Other than that, the real question is whether Nuance is going to contest the desktop SR with a free product, and if so how. See my recent post:
http://www.speechcomputing.com/node/2338
My guess is their only commitment is toward making money, so when and if WSR gets sufficient mass to deplete DNS's sales, they will pull the plug, especially since they own so many of the key SR patents, and since there are thriving markets for other uses of SR.
Or how about this spin: Maybe M$ only got into the desktop SR market to showcase their capabilities. Maybe their real aim is for this growing commercial SR market, à la Ford's use of M$'s SR product or Honda's use of IBM's SR products! Once they establish their street creds, they're out of here, leaving the tiny desktop niche field to Nuance. That might explain why Nuance isn't bothering to counter the apparent M$ threat -- they don't have to.
How's them beans?
Bruce
BruceCyr wrote: Or how
Or how about this spin: Maybe M$ only got into the desktop SR market to showcase their capabilities. Maybe their real aim is for this growing commercial SR market, à la Ford's use of M$'s SR product or Honda's use of IBM's SR products! Once they establish their street creds, they're out of here, leaving the tiny desktop niche field to Nuance. That might explain why Nuance isn't bothering to counter the apparent M$ threat -- they don't have to.
How's them beans?
Bruce
Ask and learn. My thinking was limited to the desktop only. Many times I call my bank and am asked to "say" my account and other information. Or when I need the services of a call center, I am asked to say (or punch in) information before I get to a human. Limited user independent voice recognition, but very prevalent these days. I don't know what cars have as far as VR goes these days. I think I've seen commercials of people talking to their GPS devices.
M$ has had to get credibilty with a lot of steps they've taken. Networking with NT for example. People were very skeptical that NT server nets were as capable as Novell. Microsoft included a free peer-to-peer network with Win 3.11 and win95 to get street creds with their client side software. I don't here much about Novell servers anymore. Not like the old days.
Thank you Bruce.
Penrod wrote: "There's a
"There's a time when the operations of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to indicate to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machines will be prevented from working at all".
Mario Savio Berkeley, CA. 1960's
Penrod,
I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't actually recall who Mario Savio was -- I thought it he was vaguely associated with Abbie Hoffman et al, but Google to the rescue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Savio
Like a lot activists, he got his political baptism in the civil rights movement. The quoted statement is dripping with bathetic movement-rhetoric, but overall he was someone whose life seemed to be based on ethical and religious principles. In the end his flamboyant expression of those ideals led to a lifetime of FBI harassment. Then as in the lead-up to 9/11, the FBI simply seemed incompetent to detect the real threats to American interests.
I guess I should feel flattered to be compared to this guy, but I'm also mystified -- I've never had enough optimism to think protest is an effective approach to life. I guess I'm more attracted to the Ralph Nader approach, which is doggedly cynical about everybody and everything with power and wealth.
Bruce
BruceCyr wrote: I guess I
I guess I should feel flattered to be compared to this guy, but I'm also mystified -- I've never had enough optimism to think protest is an effective approach to life. I guess I'm more attracted to the Ralph Nader approach, which is doggedly cynical about everybody and everything with power and wealth.
Bruce
I was watching the Berkeley protests on television during that time. I was going to college in central Oklahoma, where the administration was trying to fire an economics professor for spending far too much emphasis on teaching socialism in a Comparative Economics Class (so they said). I think 3 or 4 of his econ students protested the action. I suppose I lived vicariously through Savio and those in the free speech movement. But I wasn't too vocal when those around me were calling the Berkeley folks pinko commies. Not too much tolerance shown in that part of the country at that time. I didn't hesitate to move to California after graduation.
I like Nader. He and Kucinich provide some truthful refreshment in contrast to the status quo in government and business. Some people say he is fighting windmills. I think he is gradually changing people's minds and attitudes for the better.
Penrod wrote: It appears to
It appears to be diet Vista. It runs at least as fast as XP. (My perceptions not scientific). Mikey likes it.
O-K...
Mikey in this case sounds like a challenged user who gets caught up in playing with his OS. Most folks never think of their OS except (on the M$ side) as something that constantly requires some special attention to maintain its stability -- Did I defrag it enough? Have I protected the pour thing from nasty intruders? Is it sufficiently updated that is doesn't feel neglected? Etc. ad nauseam -- attention that detracts from actually using the machine to get some work done. M$ and its compensated flacks, OTOH, probably bill and coo with it all day and night -- no doubt they love Mikey and his ilk. But I am happy for Mikey's sake
Bruce
a challenged user who gets caught up in playing with his OS
It seems I can click your button with my Microsoft mouse.
I did my time (35 years) in the computer rooms and cubicles of data processing, information systems, and information technology departments of nine various corportations. Now I am free to play with personal computers, if I so choose.
I am retired, so the words challenges, productivity and work translate into a play these days. No Bill Lumbergh looking over my shoulder. Uh, yeah. If I choose to beta test Windows 7, that is my busy ness.
"as something that constantly requires some special attention to maintain its stability" Stop projecting yourself into the MS Operating System, loosen up and love yourself.
I'm outta here.
Penrod wrote: It seems I
It seems I can click your button with my Microsoft mouse.
If someone is obviously flacking a product rather than just describing it, s/he is engaging in advertising. Said person is within his/her rights. Its a great American tradition. But so is debunking editorial content. If you don't want people saying that you're engaged in advertising, don't do it. If, nevertheless, you persist in doing it, then you don't have any basis for complaining about someone saying that you're doing it.
Bruce
BruceCyr wrote: M$ Here we
M$
Here we go again - how very dull...
dragonuser wrote: BruceCyr
M$
Here we go again - how very dull...
My aren't you a precious package! I can't help it that I'm a slob-dog.
And yet you seem to have a dogged fascination with advertisement. Me, I'm always surprised that some people are annoyed that I mute the advertisements when I'm watching TV -- brain-washing seems like a waste of my time. I regret that Steve Jobs putatively sold out his invention that automatically detected TV ads and muted the sound stream.
Bruce
Bruce I have no idea what
Bruce
I have no idea what your last post says - I have no idea what a slob dog is, and as for your final sentence ????
Please excuse my understanding of your English, as I am after all only English.......
dragonuser wrote: Please
Please excuse my understanding of your English, as I am after all only English.......
Thank goodness - another one who only understands the Queen's English
Quentin
crivon1 wrote: dragonuser
Please excuse my understanding of your English, as I am after all only English.......
Thank goodness - another one who only understands the Queen's English
Quentin
Fact is the Queen's English is increasingly provincial -- has been for decades. Its our American slob dog English that prevails -- at least until Chinese becomes the de facto lingua franca in the next half-century or so.
Bruce
dragonuser wrote: Bruce I
Bruce
I have no idea what your last post says - I have no idea what a slob dog is, and as for your final sentence ????
Please excuse my understanding of your English, as I am after all only English.......
dragonuser,
A "slob dog" is a "slob dog" -- I think its akin to what you Brits call "football fans".
The last sentence contains a misreference: I meant Steve Wozniak. A possible urban myth alleges that his next venture after leaving Apple was developing a TV device that would automatically detect and mute commercial content. Putatively he was bought off by the networks, but of course NDAs prohibit further revelation -- what I call a perfect storm of invention since the known facts fit both the hypothesis and its rejection
If you have further questions, let me know.
Bruce
You are a strange person...
You are a strange person...
challenged user who gets caught up in playing with his OS.
Bruce,
That's an excellent description of a systems programmer in a business environment. But since I have a personal computer at home, I have to wear that hat along with the end-user hat. What operating system do you know that doesn't require more attention from the user than he or she thinks it ought to? Please, enlighten.
Peace
Penrod wrote: Bruce, That's
Bruce,
That's an excellent description of a systems programmer in a business environment. But since I have a personal computer at home, I have to wear that hat along with the end-user hat. What operating system do you know that doesn't require more attention from the user than he or she thinks it ought to? Please, enlighten.
Peace
Penrod,
Since you didn't quote what you were commenting on, one might wonder what you mean.
However, I described the typical chores of a Windows user to maintain his/her system, which are largely due to defects of the OS. An OS that is so taxing that you need the skills of a systems programmer per your opinion is...well, I think its a PITA, which is an acronym an ex-jarhead readily understands.
Bruce
BruceCyr
Penrod,
However, I described the typical chores of a Windows user to maintain his/her system, which are largely due to defects of the OS. An OS that is so taxing that you need the skills of a systems programmer per your opinion is...well, I think its a PITA, which is an acronym an ex-jarhead readily understands.
Bruce
I do recall the acronym PITA, and I also recall the saying "snap out of it and get with the program". And the program is Dragon Naturally Speaking which, I believe, currently runs on only 2 operating systems. The one the vast majority run Dragon on is Windows. The other is the the Apple OS. If they have ported Dragon over to Linux, then that would be wonderful and introduce more people to what I consider an extremely well crafted voice recognition product. After all, this is really what this forum thread is about. I apologize to all for diverging from the original topic. I came to the forum to find out if anyone knew if the Vista x64bit version of Dragon 10 is available yet. What's the latest word from Nuance on that?
There are no ex Marines - semper fi
The Vista x64bit version of
The Vista x64bit version of Dragon 10 is due into beta in the next month or so and theoretically will be available within a few months of that.
dragonuser wrote: The Vista
The Vista x64bit version of Dragon 10 is due into beta in the next month or so and theoretically will be available within a few months of that.
Tell them I'll be more than happy to beta it for them, if they'll provide the laptop system (non-returnable) to trial it on.
Yeah cos they'll do that...
Yeah cos they'll do that...
dragonuser wrote: Yeah cos
Yeah cos they'll do that...
I can dream... just don't let that big apple fall out of the tree on my head...
My brother is a self-taught
My brother is a self-taught PC user -- he's never used one at work. Having no need for office applications, he's become a Linux maven. As a postscript to this Windows 7 discussion, I'll leave his judgment:
"I think MS got it right this time, perhaps. Any way, I like it and I have it until Aug 0 2009 or until MS puts out the final release version. Will I buy it when it comes out? Probably not, unless it's pretty cheap and that probably isn't gonna happen. Besides, Linux works for me."
Bruce
BruceCyr wrote: "Besides,
"Besides, Linux works for me."
I had Linux years ago. I couldn't find drivers for all of my essential hardware at the time. I did like the Win95 "classic" style GUI that came with it. It made it an easier transition from Windows.
A trial version of Office 2007 came with my new laptop. It has the new "gobbledegook" interface with no way of going back to the classic menu style. I refuse to use it. I am considering Open Office or even the MS works that comes with the laptop for my office suite.
Penrod Should Have Written
"Besides, Linux works for me."
A trial version of Office 2007 came with my new laptop. It has the new "gobbledegook" interface with no way of going back to the classic menu style. I refuse to use it. I am considering Open Office or even the MS works that comes with the laptop for my office suite.
Search for "Open Office" here to see how much you give up going to that suite rather than using M$ Office. If I had to write or calculate or make pointless graphs by speech, I would stick with M$ Office. But I would be PO'd the whole time I had to use it on a M$ OS
Bruce
Lotus Flower
[quote=Penrod Should Have Written But I would be PO'd the whole time I had to use it on a M$ OS
What's the other OS choice for MS Office? Apple? Who amongst you (who are not already Mac users) want to invest money in Mac hardware just to get away from MS Windows?
What about Lotus Suite from IBM? Anyone out there using it with Dragon?
I downloaded the free Lotus Symphony from IBM and tried to get WSR to dictate into the word processor. No luck. Only Text Services Framework products will allow dictation from WSR. I do like the classic pull down menus on Lotus. I have Lotus on my Vista x64 bit machine so I can't test Dragon 10. My other machine is down for cleaning and hardware maintenance.
Toggle Toolbar
A trial version of Office 2007 came with my new laptop. It has the new "gobbledegook" interface with no way of going back to the classic menu style. I refuse to use it. I am considering Open Office or even the MS works that comes with the laptop for my office suite.
I found toggle toolbar which gives anyone desiring so the old (Office 2002 and before) toolbars and menus. Trial version is available at http://www.toolbartoggle.com/ and someone who shares my view on the Microsoft Office ribbon toolbar http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/techreviews...
I agree!!
That ribbon structure may help some people but not me! It's confusing and disquieting to me and many others. I have a hard time finding anything on it.
One reason why I'll stick with the old 2003 and it's drop downs.
Now you know why I stick
Now you know why I stick with good old '97
Quentin
MS Mantra
If it ain't broke, futz with it.
ribbon excitement
Here's a guy who likes ribbons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z50De8pExiQ
Office XP
Thanks Admin and Quentin. Yes, the good old days are back since I found my copy of Office XP for students.
M$ Resurrects Mario Savio, Hold Him Hostage Till He Endorses W7
Pogue Reviews W7 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/technology/perso... -- you must sign up to access).
The most interesting thing is that its slow (its bloated with debugging code) except on Mac OS X -- perhaps because the debugging code is turned off?
Bruce
MS Gitmo
Better yet, hold Mario hostage and make him watch the Microsoft monkey boy movie over and over until he endorses win7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc Better than water boarding to get people to "come around".