ViaVoice 10.5 and Microsoft Word 2003--still not working well
Submitted by suzanne on Thu, 07/21/2005 - 16:49.
I was recently upgraded to Office 2003 and am having trouble with ViaVoice 10 Pro, as others have reported. Thanks to the posts from this group, I obtained the 10.5 update from ScanSoft, the installation of which worked quite nicely.
However, I am still having lots of trouble dictating into at Microsoft Word 2003. Especially with correction. It botches words, leaving some of the old word when replacing the erroneously dictated word with the correct one. There is no option for "Select [word]" or "correct [word]." In general is so much worse than Office 2000. Like a lot of you, I am totally dependent on ViaVoice working in Microsoft Word. Suggestions?
Another funky thing in Office is I tend to get an x placed into any new document as the first character, either Outlook or Word, so far not in Internet Explorer; possibly a result of the clipboard in 2003??
This forum is very helpful so I look forward to your replies. Thanks so much.
Suzanne
ViaVoice 10.5 and Microsoft Word 2003--still not working well
Did you try disabling ctfmon.exe?
Try the following url which gives details as to how to disable ctfmon.exe:-
http://knowledgebase.scansoft.com/view.asp?tnID=3244
It appears to be a problem common to both DNS and ViaVoice according to the knowledgebase.
Follow the instructions very carefully.
In any of the installations I have carried out, I have disabled ctfmon.exe, and I have not had any problems reported to me.
Did you install 10.5 over 10, or did you do a complete clean install?
P.S. I still use Office 97, and from what I have seen, the later versions do not offer anything of great value to what is already in 97.
ViaVoice 10.5 and Microsoft Word 2003--still not working well
Thanks for your post. I found the ctfmon.exe information in Knowledge Base and will try it. I installed 10.5 over 10 following their instructions. However, I did a clean install of 10 just one month prior using my backup, which contains vocabulary etc. running back five years. My office needs need to use Office 2003 because of Microsoft Exchange reasons. I found Office 2000 much easier for ViaVoice.
Anything else I should keep in mind? Thanks very much.
Suzanne
Try it and let us know how
Try it and let us know how you are getting on.
Quentin
ViaVoice and Word 2003
I was one of the Beta testers on 10.5 and tested it with Word 2003. In a clean install, it does work better than when VV 10 is upgraded. Maybe the best fix would be to use the "Transfer" method to get your text into any version of Word. I have written 4 books by dictation in ViaVoice using this method. "How to Master IBM ViaVoice 4th Ed" an E-book on CD has extensive details on this. This is available at www.crown1.com .
Jim Cox
VV Installation and running problems in XP SP 2
On www.crown1.com there is an advisory note regarding "A problem has occurred (SMAPIRC = 215 already opened for connection to a speech engine). If this problem occurs again restart the User Wizard.", referring to the ScanSoft knowledge base.
I offered, in one of my earlier blogs, an easy solution to this. You should be able to find it in the ViaVoice forum.
As regards installation, I also advised on this, that it is essential that Anti-Virus and Firewalls be disabled before installation.
And there is also the other problem mentioned on the knowledge base, and this advises that the the TCP/IP protocols are probably installed before installing VV.
Quentin
Interesting P.S. comment
Interesting P.S. comment about office versions. I keep getting numerous Microsoft error messages. When these are sent to Microsoft (which I suspect is a total waste of time), the response is increasingly, "You need to upgrade from Office 97". As a longtime user of ViaVoice 10, might it be best to upgrade straight up to Office 2007? Is it compatible with ViaVoice 10 or only 10.5?
DGMiller wrote: Interesting
Interesting P.S. comment about office versions. I keep getting numerous Microsoft error messages. When these are sent to Microsoft (which I suspect is a total waste of time), the response is increasingly, "You need to upgrade from Office 97". As a longtime user of ViaVoice 10, might it be best to upgrade straight up to Office 2007? Is it compatible with ViaVoice 10 or only 10.5?
I would forget Office 2007. ViaVoice is not compatible with Office 2007. The highest you will be able to go with any version of ViaVoice is Microsoft Office 2003.
Chuck Runquist
Former DNS SDK & Senior Technical Solutions PM for DNS
"We are all victims of mythology in one way or another. We are the inheritors, and many times the propagators, of a desire to believe what we want to believe, regardless of whether or not it is true." -- J.V. Stewart
I agree with Chuck. I use
I agree with Chuck.
I use Word 97 with VV 10.5 very successfully.
On occasions I get the Microsoft message, and I simply close it without sending.
The secret is to constantly save. By having the Autosave set, and when starting a document, save it with a name, and will automatically saved all but the last few minutes of what you dictated (depending on the number of minutes you have set it to autosave).
On restarting, it will automatically recover what you have dictated, but you will lose the voice dictation which would not have been saved.
Unless you have any particular reason to upgrade your Office Suite, I would not do so and I would stick to Word 97.
It may well be that you got a virus which is causing the frequent error message. You should do a full virus check, and maybe even consider reinstalling Word 97.
Quentin
It is not usual to reply to
It is not usual to reply to my own post, but a thought occurred to me that the problem does not lie with either Word 97 or ViaVoice, but lies with XP.
I have never had any of these problems with Windows 2000, but I have had repeated problems with XP with which I have learned to live.
Quentin
crivon1 wrote: the problem
the problem does not lie with either Word 97 or ViaVoice, but lies with XP. I have never had any of these problems with Windows 2000, but I have had repeated problems with XP with which I have learned to live.
It sounds to me as if pretty soon it will be time for you to upgrade to Vista.
Marty
Martin Markoe wrote: It
It sounds to me as if pretty soon it will be time for you to upgrade to Vista.
Marty
From what I have seen of Vista, I am quite happy to wait for a long time.
I have got used to the foibles of XP, and will go on putting up with it.
Having determined the solutions to all the existing problems, and established quickly activated workarounds, and able to find answers for the new ones , better the devil you know than the one you don't
Quentin
While Marty's gentle gibe
While Marty's gentle gibe has the ring of logic, I feel the force of your position so strongly that I think WSR has to become MUCH better than DNS to justify the switch to Vista. I've just this season upgraded to XP after discovering I could make it look like 2K while getting the technical improvements of XP.
Somehow the recent news* that MS and other OS makers have been consulting with the NSA over security features doesn't reassure me. While it may be paranoid to think that such consultation is a two-way street that leads directly into any individual online PC, I can't shake the suspicion. Of course, I suppose such snooping could already be enabled. Its not so much that I have anything to hide (in case ANYONE is wondering) as the thought that if NSA can figure out how to get in beneath all security shields, then it should be feasible for the hacker community to do the same.
Bruce
PS: Have to admit both of us appear to be far more computationally conservative than most folks, so most people will probably disagree on the relative valuations of DNS/WSR and the benefits of upgrading OS'es.
*http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010801352.html
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BruceCyr wrote: While
While Marty's gentle gibe has the ring of logic, I feel the force of your position so strongly that I think WSR has to become MUCH better than DNS to justify the switch to Vista. I've just this season upgraded to XP after discovering I could make it look like 2K while getting the technical improvements of XP.
Bruce and I are ad idem in our views.
However I am surprised, Bruce, that you have only recently discovered how to make XP look like 2000. I did this immediately I got XP, as I simply could not cope with the standard format. By clicking around, I discovered how to get the classic appearance so that the transition from 2000 to XP was painless.
As regards security, a good firewall and anti-virus, coupled with the Microsoft Updates should be sufficient, provided one is very careful about opening e-mails.
In any case I doubt if the Vista super security, developed with NASA, will be available for the average users who will get the basic Vista package when they buy their computers.
Quentin
crivon1 wrote: However I am
However I am surprised, Bruce, that you have only recently discovered how to make XP look like 2000. I did this immediately I got XP, as I simply could not cope with the standard format. By clicking around, I discovered how to get the classic appearance so that the transition from 2000 to XP was painless.
As regards security, a good firewall and anti-virus, coupled with the Microsoft Updates should be sufficient, provided one is very careful about opening e-mails.
In any case I doubt if the Vista super security, developed with NASA, will be available for the average users who will get the basic Vista package when they buy their computers.
Quentin
I apologize for confusing you with my garbled writing. I converted to XP last month after reading how to make it mimic the appearance of 2K. So you see, I knew how to do it before I installed it.
Re: Vista's NSA-related security features: While I don't know, I assume that they are integral to the entire Vista line -- that's the gist of the articles I've read. Presumably the user won't know anything about them nor be able to adjust them because they are built-in.
Also, the gist of my note was to imply there might be trapdoors available to insiders which outsiders might learn to exploit, which ipso facto would make explicit safeguards like you mention superfluous. However, I would re-iterate that I don't know and am not making a specific claim. Rather, I'm just muddying the pools of paranoia
Also, I should note its a given that NSA is data-mining all electronic communications both within and across the borders of the US under authority arrogated by the Bush administration, although one has to wonder how effective this tool might be given its sheer volume. If any institution has enough sheer CPU power for the task, it is NSA.
The new element my paranoid speculation adds to the mix is the capability to effortlessly and undetectably snoop into any online PC which might be fingered by a data-mining probes as a target of interest.
Many commentators are bothered by the civil libertarian aspects of these new intrusive capabilities, to which I would add that the record of nearly four decades of governmental incompetence in all military and security endeavors adds the specter that many people will be harassed and/or penalized for no good reason other than to smoke-screen the wasting of billions of tax dollars while real security needs go begging.
Apologies to all for getting so far off topic.
Bruce
BruceCyr wrote: Many
Many commentators are bothered by the civil libertarian aspects of these new intrusive capabilities, to which I would add that the record of nearly four decades of governmental incompetence in all military and security endeavors adds the specter that many people will be harassed and/or penalized for no good reason other than to smoke-screen the wasting of billions of tax dollars while real security needs go begging.
Surely this is something that your civil libertarians in the USA should be screaming about.
From what we are reading about what is happening on your side of the pond, it seems that the Bush administration is taking incredible liberties with your privacy.
Over here, our Constitution prevents such activities, and we have ombudsmen in place to investigate such privacy breaches to take such action as is necessary, and our courts are very protective in this respect.
It never ceases to amaze me the level of intrusion that your press has. If the defamation that is what published in the US press was to be published here, writs would fly in every direction, injunctions would be obtained and the press stopped in their tracks.
In fact a new Defamation Bill is presently being proposed by the government which will create even greater limits on the press invading privacy and they are vehemently opposing it.
Quentin
I don't know, maybe
I don't know, maybe badmouthing the bigshots is one of the consolations of living without privacy. Anyway, I'll forward your musings to Alberto Gonzales -- he may solicit further input
Bruce
Is VV 10.5 still available?
Is VV 10.5 still available? I bought 10 back in 2002 or thereabouts, only to discover that it wouldn't work at all with Word 2003. I kept following up to see if the company would upgrade, but had lost patience by 2005 and stopped checking, so this is the first I've heard of a VV system even halfway compatible with Office 2003.
The sales sites seem to be offering 10 still.... What's the secret? Is it possible to upgrade?
There should be no problem
There should be no problem getting VV10.5 from Nuance. The box still says 10, but the blurb should say it's compatible wit Word 2003. That's how you know it's 10.5.
Quentin