Dgnword.dot
Submitted by crivon1 on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 20:28.
DNS 9.5 will not work at all in Word 97 without dgnword.dot being in the Startup folder within Office. The same applied with DNS 7 and DNS 9.0., and it is the same no matter which computer I use with WIN XP or 2000.
With dgnword.dot in the Startup folder, Word 97 will not close in the normal way, and Task Manager has to be invoked to close the programme. Needless to say this is very annoying and a nuisance, but not unsurmountable 
Does anyone know why?
Quentin
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DNS 9 Doesn't Support Word 97
If you check the Comparison Matrix
you'll see the DNS 9.5 only officially supports Word 2000 and up. We are not
surprised you're having problems with Word 97 and we don't recommend using anything
earlier than Word XP because of the difficulty of re-enabling the Select-&-Say
plug-in, even in Word 2000.
Lunis
Does KnowBrainer (or
Does KnowBrainer (or anything else for that matter) work with the free Open Office or Star Office suites?
Yes & No
KnowBrainer supports Open Office and Star Suites
.
to the degree that you can utilize any of the existing global commands and
create personal Open Office application-specific commands but we do not have
plans to add application-specific commands to Open Office because NaturallySpeaking
doesn't support it with commands or, more importantly, Select-&-Say. When
you have been spoiled by Select-&-Say word processors such as Microsoft
Word or WordPerfect, it's very hard to work with a program that doesn't support
it. We understand the appeal of Open Office because it's both free and high
quality. Unfortunately we’re spoiled by Select-&-Say
You should already have an NFR copy of KnowBrainer 2007 which works DNS
Preferred/Pro 2 through 9.5 so you can try this out for yourself. If you don't
have the latest copy of KnowBrainer, send us an e-mail and we will send you a download.
Lunis Orcutt -
Developer of KnowBrainer
It's amazing! ViaVoice
It's amazing! ViaVoice operates with Office 97 through to Office 2003. Nuance, who took over ViaVoice marketing, and presumably had something to do with the development of the last edition, 10.5, was quite happy to sell something which works in a no longer developed programme, but are not prepared to extend their own programme (DNS 9.5) in the same way.
I am sure there are many users, like me, still happily using Office 97, and are not interested in the so-called "enhancements" in the later editions. It is a pity that Nuance wouldn't take notice of this.
I think I will just carry on with ViaVoice, as I see no reason to make use of the DNS 9.5 which is lying redundant in my computer.
Quentin
[Quote] It's amazing!
It's amazing! ViaVoice operates with Office 97 through to Office 2003. Nuance, who took over ViaVoice marketing, and presumably had something to do with the development of the last edition, 10.5, was quite happy to sell something which works in a no longer developed programme, but are not prepared to extend their own programme (DNS 9.5) in the same way.
It doesn't seem that amazing to us. The reason why ViaVoice still supports Office 97 is because ViaVoice development ended a long time ago. IBM sold the distribution rights to ViaVoice to ScanSoft immediately after the release of DNS 7 because they felt they couldn't compete; especially with Microsoft directly assisting the ScanSoft developers. However, if you go back to DNS 7 you'll see that it does support Office 97 so it shouldn't be any surprise that ViaVoice 10 would support Office 97. ViaVoice 10.5 is the final ViaVoice product but Ver. 10.5 added little more than Office XP/2003 compatibility. If development had continued with ViaVoice we would probably be looking at Ver. 12 or 14 today (manufacturers consider it bad luck to introduce a Ver. 13) and it probably wouldn't support Office 97 either. Your statement makes about as much sense as saying that DragonDictate works great in Windows 95.
I am sure there are many users, like me, still happily using Office 97, and are not interested in the so-called "enhancements" in the later editions. It is a pity that Nuance wouldn't take notice of this.
Although we utilize a number of the newer Microsoft Office enhancements, such as embedded hyperlinks, we can appreciate the lower overhead and simplicity of Word 97 and we can further appreciate why you find it attractive but we don't believe there are “many users” still using Office 97. By far, the most popular version of Microsoft Office is 2003 followed by Office XP with Office 2007 moving up fast. Office 97 is considered by most to be a dinosaur and it is extremely rare when we even run into an Office 2000 user; let alone Office 97. The enhancements in Outlook alone are for many, worth the price of upgrading. Nuance would actually like to support all versions of Microsoft Office. They don't deliberately set out to write code that won't work in a program just because it's old. Simply put, it would take a good deal of extra code to support Office 97 and the demand is simply no longer there. You are the only user of Office 97 that we even know of. Other than some court reporters, we don't know of very many people that are still clutching onto ViaVoice and the only reason why they are still holding onto that product is because of the low overhead; sort of like using WordPad in place of Microsoft Word. We have no doubt that other people are still using Office 97 but at this point, it's a fairly small minority and it just isn't cost effective for Nuance to stretch the DNS support that far.
I think I will just carry on with ViaVoice, as I see no reason to make use of the DNS 9.5 which is lying redundant in my computer.
Have it your way but the next PC you purchase isn't going to have a Windows XP option and you're not going to be able to install ViaVoice or keep up with the rest of us unless you're willing to join the 21st century. ViaVoice’s days are numbered and on June 23rd 2008 it’s going to be game over because Windows XP simply won't be a new computer option.
Lunis
crivon1 wrote: It's
It's amazing! ViaVoice operates with Office 97 through to Office 2003. Nuance, who took over ViaVoice marketing, and presumably had something to do with the development of the last edition, 10.5, was quite happy to sell something which works in a no longer developed programme, but are not prepared to extend their own programme (DNS 9.5) in the same way.
Why should nuance support an application that even Microsoft no longer supports. It's pretty standard fare somewhere down the line for developers to cease to support applications that are no longer being supported by the original developers. That's a little bit of a Duhhhhh!
I am sure there are many users, like me, still happily using Office 97, and are not interested in the so-called "enhancements" in the later editions. It is a pity that Nuance wouldn't take notice of this.
I am sure that there are not as many users of Word 97 as you think there are. Word 97 is so old that the box that my copy came in looks like the parchment on the Declaration of Independence. It's simply no longer viable to support it.
I think you're forgetting the fact that ViaVoice 10.5 is going on 6 years old. Of course it supports Word 97. However, the fact that it does has nothing to do with what nuance decided or didn't decide. It has to do with the fact that ViaVoice is now considered ancient history.
I think I will just carry on with ViaVoice, as I see no reason to make use of the DNS 9.5 which is lying redundant in my computer.
I have no problem with that. Just keep it in perspective.
Chuck Runquist
Former Dragon NaturallySpeaking SDK & Senior Technical Solutions PM for DNS
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -- Aldous Huxley
It's amazing!
Linus and Chuck,
Despite the fact that I have oft repeated it, you both have forgotten that VV 10.5 was last developed on 14/7/2004, which by my calculations makes the last development of it three years and (just short of) 11 months
There are many users of VV, as I have established from PC World in Ireland of their sales of VV. You simply hear nothing of them. I'm sure the same applies in the US and the UK. In the same way how many DNS users are you aware of? Equally how many users of Phillips SR are you aware of? I have come across many of them. Phillips SR is as defunct as ViaVoice! If ViaVoice is so dead, why is Nuance still selling it online, and through retailers? It does not pay to sell a product which nobody wants!
You must have an awful lot of contacts using MS-Office to be able to make the sweeping statements that Office 97 is not used any more except by a small minority. I can counter that by quoting numerous colleagues in the legal profession in Ireland (which is a country well known to be way ahead in programme development and usage) who are still very happy with Office 97, and have no interest in changing.
XP is still being sold (I having bought 2 latest version laptops in the past two months with XP), and I am informed by my computer supplier that Vista comes with a XP downgrade package built-in. He has told me that in recent times every customer of his has asked that Vista be replaced with XP.
We all know that Windows 7 is on the horizon, and maybe it will get over all the Vista glitches. I am quite sure that Microsoft would not be developing a totally new package if they were not satisfied that Vista is not the success they expected.
Quentin
You Might Want to Doublecheck Your Facts
It would appear, in the ViaVoice Matrix, that
ViaVoice only offers full support as high as Office XP; not Office 2003.
Although it's not written in stone, our inside sources have hinted that
ViaVoice may only be available for a few more months so we tend to be very
cautious about recommending archaic soon to expire software.
We would agree that most end-users are requesting Windows XP over Windows
Vista; especially businesses but we've never heard of the “Windows XP downgrade
package built in”. What we have seen is a Windows XP option but that option is
slated to be eliminated on June 23rd and we very much doubt there is an “XP
downgrade built-in package” for Vista. We find it hard to believe that
Microsoft would be willing to market in this way. This would be equivalent to a
gas station selling dry gas (even though it's probably not a bad idea). Microsoft
may reverse their decision but if not, after June 23rd you will not be able to
buy a new computer with Windows XP or install ViaVoice.
We concede that an extremely small amount of development was performed on
ViaVoice 10.5 4 years ago when ScanSoft added support for something which we no
longer remember but it may have been Office 2003. However, when Chuck states
that ViaVoice development ended 6 years ago he is no doubt referring to serious
(real) development of ViaVoice which was wholly conducted at IBM. That isn't to
say that ViaVoice isn't an impressive product. It is fairly accurate, features low
overhead and is priced right but as far as speed is concerned, the new upcoming
Intel chips will make this a moot point. Although ViaVoice will still be
significantly faster than NaturallySpeaking, the naked eye will not likely be
able to appreciate the speed difference when dictation appears instantly (no lagtime)
within your document as you are dictating. But even now, a fairly long stretch
of Dictation typically appears in just under 2 seconds.
We can appreciate that there are still a number of ViaVoice users but as far as
the Philips speech recognition engine is concerned, that product was never
really ready for prime time. The Philips speech product isn't even sold in the
United States because it couldn't compete. ViaVoice users are quickly dwindling
which we can tell by our own stats as we sell DNS to the converts.
As far as Office 97 is concerned, we agree with Chuck. We have a lot of
customers and we haven't even heard someone mention Office 97, let alone using
it, in the last 5 years or so. US business users are always slow to change
versions of Microsoft Office, WordPerfect and operating systems but pretty much
all of our business customers are using Windows XP (some Vista) and Office 2003
with some still holding onto Office XP. Our business customers who do a lot of
e-mail are quicker to upgrade to Office 2007 because of Outlook. We are not
saying that a lot of people in Ireland are not using Office 97 but the rest of
the world certainly isn't and you're about the only person on any forum we have
run into who actively promotes Office 97. Of course, we don't run into too many
people promoting ViaVoice either.
Lunis Orcutt -
Developer of KnowBrainer
You Might Want toi double your Doublecheck Facts
It would appear, in the ViaVoice Matrix, that ViaVoice only offers full support as high as Office XP; not Office 2003.
Someone at Nuance has made a blunder. There are specific navigation macros for 2003 Office programmes and these can be found on the set-up disc under "Macros".
but we've never heard of the “Windows XP downgrade package built in”. What we have seen is a Windows XP option
Perhaps I should have used the word "option" rather than "downgrade".
Although ViaVoice will still be significantly faster than NaturallySpeaking, the naked eye will not likely be able to appreciate the speed difference when dictation appears instantly (no lagtime) within your document as you are dictating. But even now, a fairly long stretch of Dictation typically appears in just under 2 seconds.
I am not clear as to whether the last sentence is a reference to ViaVoice or DNS. Certainly with ViaVoice, any long stretch of dictation appears in miliseconds from utterance. On the other hand DNS 9.5, in my experience, takes more than two seconds for an identical stretch of dictation to appear on screen, and I find it frustrating waiting for the words to appear. Instead of being able to check each word as it appears on screen as with ViaVoice, with DNS I have to wait for the entire sentence or paragraph to appear, and then have to check it for errors. (I have tried this out
) Even with a short sentence, DNS shows a delay which I find unacceptable having become used to the speed of ViaVoice. The comparison was on a laptop 2 GHz Core 2 Duo, 800 Mhz FSB, 2 Gb Ram with a Phillips SpeechMike Pro Plus.
I might mention that since I got a Phillips SpeechMike Pro Plus, to replace a SpeechMike 6274, the accuracy (and speed) has increased dramatically. It may well be that my old 6274 was tired and consequently underperforming as it was at least seven years old. (The only complaint I have about the SpeechMike Pro Plus is the length of the lead which is about 9 ft, and I am constantly tripping over it
)
Quentin