DNS9.5: One user, many microphones...with 2 USB microphones
Submitted by snsok on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 19:26.
Is there a way to set up a single user, but have the option to set up varieties of that user for each of several microphones? I am stuck trying to use my regular user with two different USB microphones. I have to do the volume and quality monologue each time I switch between these two.
In other words, can I set up separate profiles for each mic, but all based on a single common user?
I want to be sure all my new words, corrections, etc., all go into a single common user file.
I should know this basic stuff....
DNS 9.5Pro, WinXP, ThinkPad T60 3gb ram, and as many microphones as I have fingers.
snsok wrote: Is there a way
Is there a way to set up a single user, but have the option to set up varieties of that user for each of several microphones?
We do this all the time. On the Dragon bar click the NaturallySpeaking menu item. Then click Open User. Then click the Source button and select New. Just follow along and it will create a user with a different input source with the same user training files.
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Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
The best microphones for Speech Recognition
Read, "Key Steps to High Speech Recognition Accuracy
1 user, many microphones INCL. 2 USB mikes
But Martin,
The problem snsok refers to is that he/she wants to use two microphones of the same type, USB mikes, while DNS only allows one to configure different types of mikes, not two of the same type.
I bet there are a lot of us out here who would like to do what snsok wants to do.
kind regards,
omstefanov
Two USB microphone user profiles
The problem snsok refers to is that he/she wants to use two microphones of the same type, USB mikes, while DNS only allows one to configure different types of mikes, not two of the same type.
Darn, you are correct I made a poor assumption. The only way I have ever dealt with this is to just run the Audio Setup Wizard. I do this as a matter of course anyway as I believe it gets me into dictation mode where I enunciate clearly and speak in phrases. In addition, running the Audio Setup Wizard takes into account the quality of your voice and any background noise levels.
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Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
The best microphones for Speech Recognition
That's it
As Martin says, every time you switch USB devices, you'll be prompted to prepare the user for dictation, by running the Audio Setup wizard.
I don't agree with Martin as to the merits of this, however-- I find it to be an irritation. If I'm only using two different mikes (or sound pods), it seems like there ought to be a workaround. I haven't found it, unfortunately.
If I understand this right,
Yes, basically it's
Yes, basically it's this:
User1 (my only user)
Mike 1 = headset with USB pod
Mike 2 = USB Speechmike
There is a simple solution to this problem...
I do this routinely, with multiple USB microphones or multiple microphones going into Mic In, either Release 8 or 9 of DNS. (Commonly one is a Philips SpeechMike, another is a USB pod of some sort)
All you have to do is lie to your computer. (We can have a separate thread to debate whether lying to your computer is sinful.)
Go to Open Users, select the user, choose "Source" then "New". Find some type of input that you aren't using... for instance "Mic In". Then it will take you through the Audio Setup and you'll be in business.
If you have a USB microphone where accuracy is a bit of an issue, select the USB Array microphone and it will force you through a long enrollment session which typically makes accuracy better.
Once you do this, YOU have to remember what microphone is associated with each microphone type.
This works with multiple microphones going to Mic In as well. It might not work with all the input source types.
Larry Allen
http://www.pcspeak.com
using a different source
I had considered that, but had always been concerned that using a "false" dictation source could cause other problems. In other words, I assumed that Dragon somehow processed the input differently if I told it that I was using a "Mic In" or a "Line In" audio source.
I will give this a try.
Shortcut
Is there a way to set up a shortcut to open NaturallySpeaking to the appropriate user and dictation source? I know there is a way to open a particular user and a particular vocabulary, but have not been able to figure out the syntax for a dictation source.
Two USB Microphones
As you are using DNS 9.5 you can take advantage of the "Multiple Dictation Source" feature but unfortunately this doesn't allow the same user to set up separate USB microphones.
If you select a user created with a USB microphone you are allowed to select "Microphone In", "Digital Recorder", etc. but not USB.
Go to NaturallySpeaking | Open User and select the User. Then click the Source button and select New.
Graham
www.itspeaking.co.uk
IT Speaking wrote:As you
As you are using DNS 9.5 you can take advantage of the "Multiple Dictation Source" feature but unfortunately this doesn't allow the same user to set up separate USB microphones.
If you select a user created with a USB microphone you are allowed to select "Microphone In", "Digital Recorder", etc. but not USB.
Go to NaturallySpeaking | Open User and select the User. Then click the Source button and select New.
Graham and the others are basically correct. You cannot have two entries for "Dictation Source" for the same type of microphone input. The reason for this is simple, there can only be one audio file for each type of microphone input (dictation source).
However, the reason that you are required to rerun the Audio Set up Wizard each time you change microphones is likely because you are using two different USB pod's each with its own unique DSP chip and which are recognized differently in the Audio Setup Wizard. You can avoid this by simply using the same USB pod for both microphones. I switch back and forth regularly from the Sennheiser MD431 II to the Samson AirLine 77, both running through the Buddy USB 6G USB pod. I do not have to run the Audio Setup Wizard every time I change microphones. In addition, as long as the quality for both microphones is optimal, along with the noise canceling capabilities, there will generally be no impact whatsoever on your user by switching mic's.
Chuck Runquist
Former Dragon NaturallySpeaking SDK & Senior Technical Solutions PM for DNS
If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee - that will do them in. - Bradley's Bromide
Chuck, One of the mikes is
Chuck,
One of the mikes is an analog using an Andrea USB pod, but the other is a Speechmike USB--so DNS insists on a new user wizard setup.
snsok wrote: Chuck, One of
Chuck,
One of the mikes is an analog using an Andrea USB pod, but the other is a Speechmike USB--so DNS insists on a new user wizard setup.
Unfortunately, you have no option in this case because even though your user profile is using the same dictation source, the two microphones are using different USB drivers. Therefore, you will always be subject to having to run the Audio Setup Wizard. There is no way around this because each microphone is using a different DSP chip which has hardcoded into it the USB driver support.
Chuck Runquist
Former Dragon NaturallySpeaking SDK & Senior Technical Solutions PM for DNS
The real problem is not whether machines think, but whether men do. - B.F. Skinner
Chuck Runquist
Unfortunately, you have no option in this case because even though your user profile is using the same dictation source, the two microphones are using different USB drivers.
I am not in the office to doublecheck this right now, but the other day I connected two VXI USB pods to different rear USB ports. I seem to recall that one was designated VXI USB 2. Therefore they seem to be recognized as different sources. I just ran the Audio Setup Wizard and did not even think about it until just now.
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Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
The best microphones for Speech Recognition
Read, "Key Steps to High Speech Reco
Marty, I would be curious as
Marty,
I would be curious as to your results. My theoretical analysis is that regardless of whether or not you're microphones are inserted in different USB ports, you should not have to run the Audio Setup Wizard every time you change microphones. The reason being is that the VXI USB pod's both have the same DSP chip. Therefore, they should be recognized as identical regardless of where they're inserted.
On the other hand, you will always have to run the Audio Setup Wizard if you're DSP chip driver identification codes are different because DNS doesn't see them as being the same. DNS sees them as being different, which they are.
Chuck Runquist
Former Dragon NaturallySpeaking SDK & Senior Technical Solutions PM for DNS
"The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michaelangelo
Chuck Runquist wrote: I
I would be curious as to your results.
I just sent you a screenshot of the Dragon Audio Setup Wizard. It shows two Buddy USB 6G Soundpods when the Audio Setup Wizard is started. The first one that was inserted shows as Buddy USB 6G. The second one shows as Buddy USB 6G(2).
You are forced to do the Audio Setup Wizard even to have the same identical USB pods.
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Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
The best microphones for Speech Recognition
Read, "Key Steps to High Speech Reco
Martin Markoe wrote: Chuck
I would be curious as to your results.
I just sent you a screenshot of the Dragon Audio Setup Wizard. It shows two Buddy USB 6G Soundpods when the Audio Setup Wizard is started. The first one that was inserted shows as Buddy USB 6G. The second one shows as Buddy USB 6G(2).
You are forced to do the Audio Setup Wizard even to have the same identical USB pods
Then this is a port issue. My suspicion is that if you were to exchange microphones with USB pods between one USB port, you wouldn't have to do this.
I'm using the Sennheiser MD431 II and the Samson AirLine 77 going through the same Buddy USB 6G and I just exchange microphones between that pod when I want to change from one to the other. I don't get prompted with the Audio Setup Wizard under this condition. DNS doesn't seem to care which microphone is plugged in to a single buddy. It thinks they're both the same.
Chuck Runquist
Former Dragon NaturallySpeaking SDK & Senior Technical Solutions PM for DNS
If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee - that will do them in. - Bradley's Bromide