Industrial Application

I am a total newbie looking for a software program that will allow me to issue voice commands to my computer to perform a variety of tasks such as File Open, View Zoom In, etc, but often more complex. I am not looking for a dictation program, but simply want to use my voice like a mouse and keyboard to run the program. The software I am using is a windows-based metrology program called Spatial Analyzer by New River Kinematics. The program runs a laser-based measurement system called an API Laser Tracker. I am using both in an industrial situation that requires me to be some distance (roughly 20 or even 30 feet) away from the computer while operating the Laser Tracker. I may not always be able to see the screen, but have most of the commands and sequences memorized. I would like to be able to issue commands wirelessly, possibly using a Bluetooth headset (depending on range) such as the type typically used with cell phones. My current platform is a Dell M60 with XP Pro and 2Gb of Ram.
Can you suggest some software that may best fit this application? Many Thanks, - William

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Your first decision is which

Your first decision is which software product to purchase.  The choices are NaturallySpeaking, ViaVoice and Windows Vista.  As we help you narrow your choices, you might want to keep in mind that we are a NaturallySpeaking vendor so we have a professional stake in your choice.  You might want to get a second opinion.

 

Windows Vista has an excellent speech engine but no Command Browser or easy to use programming tools.  Most people don't want to upgrade to Vista at this time because of a number of problems which you've probably already heard about and don't need mentioning here.  We believe Windows Vista would currently be a bad choice for command work.

 

ViaVoice is very affordable and macro capable.  Although ViaVoice has macro capability, it is extremely rudimentary and consists of utilizing a macro recorder which is limited.  The main problem with ViaVoice is that it is owned by Nuance who would prefer that you purchase their more profitable NaturallySpeaking product so they have no intention of supporting ViaVoice.  Development on ViaVoice was abandoned several years ago and there is a good chance that this product may not even be available by next year.

 

NaturallySpeaking is your only real choice but you still have to decide between consumer grade and professional software. Preferred 9 is under $200 but has no real macro capability (only boilerplate text command support). NaturallySpeaking Pro 9 includes real Advanced-Scripting capabilities but retails for $900.  A notably less expensive option, that will give you full command capability plus over 10,000 prefab commands that can be edited, would be to add the KnowBrainer 2006 third-party command product which adds hands-free computing to all versions of NaturallySpeaking except Standard.

 

 

We are still experimenting with these types of Bluetooth microphones but have only had limited success.  Our current recommendation is to go with a Hybrid Plantronics CS55 wireless telephone/microphone (which doubles as a wireless telephone) or the Plantronics CS50-USB wireless microphone.  The CS55 has a 300 foot range and is more accurate than any microphone we've ever tested; including wired microphones.

 

PS: It's also wise to purchase your speech recognition software from a vendor who can supply real Technical Support.  Nuance Technical Support is somewhat less than ideal; especially when it comes to constructing commands because they do not even know or answer Advanced-Scripting command questions.

 

KnowBrainer Support Staff - Lunis Orcutt

Dictated with DNS 9, KnowBrainer and UniVoice

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KnowBrainer wrote:

KnowBrainer wrote:

Although ViaVoice has macro capability, it is extremely rudimentary and consists of utilizing a macro recorder which is limited.

There is nothing rudimentary or limited with its macro creation ability. You can record ViaVoice macros into any programme that you want.

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The main problem with ViaVoice is that it is owned by Nuance who would prefer that you purchase their more profitable NaturallySpeaking product…..

Whilst this is correct, it has still stood the test of time and is very much a current operational programme .

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….so they have no intention of supporting ViaVoice.

How do you know this? Has somebody at Nuance or IBM given you inside information?

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Development on ViaVoice was abandoned several years ago

At this stage, admittedly there has been no further development. That is not to say that it might not be developed in the future, unless Lunis Orcutt knows something that the rest of us have not heard.

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….and there is a good chance that this product may not even be available by next year.

How can Lunis Orcutt be so sure of this? (I am aware that he used the word "may".)

Lunis Orcutt seems to be intent on running down ViaVoice no matter what. He uses every possible opportunity to do this. Has he some fear of it because he has tied his own KnowBrainer market totally into DNS and wants to run the competition off the market?

The facts speak for themselves: ViaVoice is almost as versatile as DNS Professional, but costs one third of the price; it is extremely user friendly; its macro creation ability is very simple to use, since it simply requires a knowledge of how to create keystrokes for any macro in any programme.

At this stage nobody has tested ViaVoice in Vista as far as I'm aware. We have Rob Chambers statement on another group that there was no reason why it should not work in Vista.

There are plenty of users of ViaVoice out there who, if they were not happy, would have changed to DNS.

Lunis Orcutt has been a member of this group for just over six weeks. In that time he has made a considerable number of attacks on ViaVoice. I would ask him to now stop his ViaVoice bashing. It is totally unnecessary. If he wants to plug his own product let him do so without running down the competition.

Quentin

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>>>There is nothing

>>>There is nothing rudimentary or limited with its macro creation ability. You can record ViaVoice macros into any programme that you want.<<<

 

We are familiar with ViaVoice’s Windows specific and program specific macro capabilities but we don't think you would be making this claim if you had experienced real macro creating tools like those in NaturallySpeaking Pro 9 or KnowBrainer 2006.  ViaVoice is capable of nothing more than extremely rudimentary macros which you record in real time and play back in real time.  We realize that you can speed up macro deployment but if you need to slow down a segment of the command to wait for a window or process to appear, you'll have to slow down the entire command and if you write a lot of commands, you will actually slow down ViaVoice’s overall performance.  Frankly, the 1992 version of DragonDictate was vastly superior to the command technology included in ViaVoice and we know because IBM asked us to voice automate ViaVoice 8 in 2000.  As an experiment we duplicated the KnowBrainer Start Paragraph command which presses {Ctrl+Down}, {Left Arrow}, {End} and strikes the {Enter} Key twice.  This process took nearly 5 seconds in ViaVoice 8 but took less than one second in NaturallySpeaking.  Although we can list a lot of macro limitations we will just mention one more: If you wanted to create a command that would page up or down 1 to 1000 times it would require 2000 separate commands in ViaVoice or just one command in KnowBrainer or NaturallySpeaking.  NaturallySpeaking also includes a macro recorder, which we suspect was copied from ViaVoice but literally no speech recognition experts recommend actually using it.

 

>>>How do you know Nuance has no intention of supporting ViaVoice? Has somebody at Nuance or IBM given you inside information?<<<

 

IBM is no longer in the picture.  They gave up all profit and advertising rights to ViaVoice in a stock swap with ScanSoft, now Nuance.  Other than from an advertising point, Nuance doesn't support ViaVoice.  We do not know with absolute certainty that ViaVoice is going to be discontinued because the decision hasn't been finalized but it is definitely being considered.  As far as inside information is concerned; we work for Nuance and are gold certified/licensed by Nuance which basically means that we are privy to some inside information.

 

>>>At this stage, admittedly there has been no further development. That is not to say that it might not be developed in the future, unless Lunis Orcutt knows something that the rest of us have not heard.<<<

 

There is DEFINITELY NOT going be any further development of ViaVoice and Nuance has informed us of this decision.  We are still waiting to see if ViaVoice will work with Windows Vista but if it doesn't, Nuance has no intention of making any changes because in their eyes, ViaVoice is dead.  Simply put, technology is leaving ViaVoice behind.  With the exception of one Computer Magazine article, every single review we got our hands on, that compared ViaVoice 10 to NaturallySpeaking 7 rated NaturallySpeaking 7 as being slightly more accurate.  We found NaturallySpeaking 8 to be 23% more accurate than DNS 7 and DNS 9 added an additional 15% higher accuracy for a minimum total of 38% higher accuracy.  In other words nearly all speech recognition experts find NaturallySpeaking to be significantly more accurate than ViaVoice 10 which is exactly the same product, from a speech algorithm point of view, as ViaVoice 10.5.  It simply isn't in Nuance's best interest to throw development money after ViaVoice when they need to pump all of their resources into NaturallySpeaking in order to compete with Vista.  Logistically speaking, it's a KnowBrainer Eye-wink

 

>>>How can Lunis Orcutt be so certain that ViaVoice won't be available next year?<<<

 

We cannot be certain but it certainly seems like a very good possibility.  We can’t imagine why anyone would want to jump on the ViaVoice bandwagon at this point in time.  By next year the choices are going to be between NaturallySpeaking and Vista; not NaturallySpeaking and ViaVoice.  The only thing ViaVoice has going for it is price.  From a macro point of view, ViaVoice doesn't even compare to the 1992 version of DragonDictate, let alone NaturallySpeaking Professional and before you get defensive about this, have you ever used NaturallySpeaking Professional?  You were trying to make a comparison between the 2 products but it doesn't seem like you have any real NaturallySpeaking Professional experience.  We have used and compared both ViaVoice and NaturallySpeaking Professional.  We appreciate your opinion that we should stop bashing ViaVoice but we feel compelled to tell people what to expect.  The primary reason why we don't want people to purchase ViaVoice is because we feel that there is a high probability that it will not work in Windows Vista and it won't be around by next year.  That means everyone who purchases ViaVoice this year would be left in the proverbial lurch and we feel they should be aware of this distinct possibility before purchasing ViaVoice.  The fact that ViaVoice isn't even sold over-the-counter in the US should tell you something.  We also feel that potential customers should be aware of that NaturallySpeaking is significantly more accurate.  We apologize for our aggressive stance but from our point of view, ViaVoice is much like DOS and will soon go the way of the dinosaur.

 

You mention that we have only been on this forum for 6 weeks.  That's true but we post on 3 other speech recognition forums, host our own speech recognition forum (which we paid a king's ransom for) and have responded to around 20,000 questions.  We realize this forum’s original focus was aimed mostly at ViaVoice and we don't hear too many questions about ViaVoice on the other forums but time marches on and things change.  There will always be those who are satisfied with limited out of date technology, like Word 97 but we think most people will demand more Eye-wink

 

 

KnowBrainer Support Staff - Lunis Orcutt

Dictated with DNS 9, KnowBrainer and UniVoice

KnowBrainer wrote: We

KnowBrainer wrote:

We realize this forum original focus was aimed mostly at ViaVoice ......

Lunis Orcutt, if you bothered to look, you will find that this group is mostly DNS orientated. I couldn't care less how many groups you belong to, but I would suggest before commenting on this group you would get your facts correct.

It seems that you're incapable of stating anything other than derogatory comments regarding ViaVoice. You obviously have a closed mind – totally limited to your own product promotion.

I do not intend to bother answering your further diatribes, but I still appeal to you to stop ViaVoice bashing, and to simply promote your own product.

Quentin

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Honestly, we are not

Honestly, we are not trying to be derogatory but we do feel strongly about warning potential customers against ViaVoice pitfalls such as the following un-disputable facts:

 

1.  All ViaVoice development ended several years ago.

2.  Nearly all computer magazine reviewers rated NaturallySpeaking Ver. 7 more accurate than ViaVoice 10 which gives NaturallySpeaking Ver. 9 a 38% minimum accuracy edge.

3.  ViaVoice macro technology is superior to NaturallySpeaking Preferred but significantly inferior to NaturallySpeaking Professional or even circa 1992 DragonDictate.

4.  No future development for ViaVoice is planned; including official support for Windows Vista which means there is a fairly high probability that ViaVoice will be discontinued by 2008.

5.  ViaVoice isn't sold over the counter in the US which pretty much says everything you need to know.

 

As to who owns ViaVoice:

 

IBM decided to throw in the proverbial ViaVoice towel when Microsoft started sharing code directly with the DNS 7 developers.  IBM couldn't sell ViaVoice outright to ScanSoft because it would violate US monopoly laws so to circumvent the problem IBM sold their advertising and profits to Nuance in a stock swap.  As long as IBM maintained ownership of ViaVoice, the antimonopoly laws wouldn't be violated but IBM would have no reason to make any improvements to ViaVoice because there was no profit in it for them.  Now that Vista has officially been released, it is no longer necessary for Nuance to hang onto ViaVoice.  We believe that IBM still owns ViaVoice but their sales staff probably isn't aware of this Eye-wink

 

With the introduction of Windows Vista and third-party command technologies like Vocola which works with Preferred, we believe there are very few reasons to consider purchasing speech recognition software that in all likelihood won't even exist next year.

 

KnowBrainer Support Staff - Lunis Orcutt

Dictated with DNS 9, KnowBrainer and UniVoice

I am fed up arguing with

I am fed up arguing with this man. He simply does not know how to stop drivelling on, and I am not paid to argue with him. He seems to think that everyone wants a SR programme that will enable them to carry out many complicated actions. However, I believe the contrary is true, ie. most users simply want to put words on the screen without having to use the keyboard.

Suffice to say, there are many happy users of VV who have no intention of changing.

I repeat - stop bashing ViaVoice, and simply promote your own product.

Quentin

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>most users simply want to

>most users simply want to put words on the screen without having to use the keyboard.

That might be true, however it doesn't describe the needs of William, who started this thread.

It also doesn't change the fact that ViaVoice is a poor investment of time and money for users who do not already own it.

 

-- Scott W
Speech resources at SpeechWiki
Try QuickSwitch at Applied Recognition today

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KnowBrainer wrote:ViaVoice

KnowBrainer wrote:

ViaVoice is very affordable and macro capable.  Although ViaVoice has macro capability, it is extremely rudimentary and consists of utilizing a macro recorder which is limited.  The main problem with ViaVoice is that it is owned by Nuance who would prefer that you purchase their more profitable NaturallySpeaking product so they have no intention of supporting ViaVoice.  Development on ViaVoice was abandoned several years ago and there is a good chance that this product may not even be available by next year.

When did Nuance buy ViaVoice? I thought it was developed and owned by IBM and that Scansoft/Nuance was merely a marketer/distributor for the IBM Product.

Update: I decided to 'chase' this down. So I went to the IBM Website for ViaVoice at http://www-306.ibm.com/software/voice/viavoice/. I then called the number shown and specifically asked who owns ViaVoice. I was told that Nuance DOES now own and is in control of ViaVoice and to find out if there would be any further updates or development on it, I'd have to contact Nuance.

So I called Nuance Customer Service and spoke with them about this. I specifically asked what the future for the product was and was told (paraprhased) "we only market and distribute that which IBM has done to the program. IBM owns the product and provides the development, we are only the sales and marketing for it".

So there you have it from their "mouths". No one knows! ROFLOL!!! Talk about limbo...

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My first thought when I read

My first thought when I read your message was "how much noise is in that environment?". That may be a factor that ultimately decides what headset and program you use.

Although I'm sure DNS would perform what you need, it may be that you only need something really simple like VR Commander. I've never used this program, but it's a free download and can give an idea of what you want to do. It's a LOT cheaper than DNS or any of the others, but it IS limited to command and control. How well it works and what it will work with (microphones) I have no idea so I'd suggest asking the vendor before you buy.

Their website is at http://www.vrcommander.com/

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admin wrote: How well it

admin wrote:

How well it works and what it will work with (microphones) I have no idea so I'd suggest asking the vendor before you buy.

Their website is at http://www.vrcommander.com/

Further reading of their website shows that this program will work with Bluetooth headsets. It also seems to be a proprietary program and is NOT based on ViaVoice, DNS or Microsoft Speech! It also says there's no training to be done.

I notice that one of their templates is for AutoCad. It seems there was a program similar to this in the late 1990's that was similar, but they wanted well over $100 at the time.

VR Commander's current pricing is pretty reasonable: $9.95 per license.

That's a LOT cheaper than the other alternatives if it can do what is needed! It may be that you'll find your biggest challenge will be the microphone system you are using!

William wrote: I am a total

William wrote:

I am a total newbie looking for a software program that will allow me to issue voice commands to my computer to perform a variety of tasks such as File Open, View Zoom In, etc, but often more complex.

As you need to use more complex commands, Dragon NaturallySpeaking Professional with its scripting and command language is the logical program of choice. The well-written script will execute immediately. The simple to understand a complete book by Larry Allen is called, "Scripting for Dragon NaturallySpeaking."

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I would like to be able to issue commands wirelessly, possibly using a Bluetooth headset (depending on range) such as the type typically used with cell phones. My current platform is a Dell M60 with XP Pro and 2Gb of Ram.

Your computer specifications are just fine for running Dragon NaturallySpeaking.

Bluetooth is probably not the ideal microphone technology for your purposes. The reason is distance and as was mentioned by Skip, noise canceling. The type of Bluetooth you are thinkng of, for phones, does not cut it for Speech Recogntion.

The best microphone for your purposes is the Samson Airline 77. Using a single rechargeable nickel metal hydride AAA battery it should last all day. It is very lightweight and unobtrusive as well as comfortable. The most important fact is that it is the most highly noise canceling and accurate microphone available.

--
Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
The best microphones for Speech Recognition
Read, "Key Steps to High Speech Recognition Accuracy"

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NaturallySpeaking is your only real choice but you still have to decide between consumer grade and professional software. Preferred 9 is under $200 but has no real macro capability (only boilerplate text command support). NaturallySpeaking Pro 9 includes real Advanced-Scripting capabilities but retails for $900. A notably less expensive option, that will give you full command capability plus over 10,000 prefab commands that can be edited, would be to add the KnowBrainer 2006 third-party command product which adds hands-free computing to all versions of NaturallySpeaking except Standard.

A further alternative, but one which would require you to write your own macros would be Preferred 9 with open source voice macro programs such as Vocola or Univoice; both of these are well supported on this site.

A typical Vocola script (for an internet browser) would look something like:

The command you speak = {the keystroke combination};

go back = {alt+left} ;
go forward = {alt+right} ;
go home = {alt+home} ;
refresh = {Ctrl+r} ;
go to address = {Ctrl+l} ;
stop [loading] = {Esc} ;

If your macro requirements are only for simple commands and keystroke combinations, these are pretty easy to use, whereas, if you are wanting to perform more advanced programming tasks which do some of the thinking for you, you would need either Pro 9 or Preferred plus Knowbrainer.

Mark

Thank you all for your

Thank you all for your comments. The questions certainly generated some lively discussion.
The software program I am using for my industrial application has a LOT of commands, very few of them have hot-key combinations.
I downloaded and tried VR Commander, but could not successfully get it to arrow-down through a drop-down menu to a command. For example, I tried Alt-F, then down-arrow a couple times, then Enter to execute a Capture Screen command which has no hotkey combination. VRC opened the File drop-down menu, but that was all – nothing highlighted nor was the Screen Capture executed.
It sounds like I need to pursue DNS. Not sure if I need the KnowBrainer, I’ll have to look into that a bit more.
Thank you also for the headset suggestions. It is nice to make contact with such a knowledgeable group. -William

Hi William Quote: The

Hi William

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The software program I am using for my industrial application has a LOT of commands, very few of them have hot-key combinations.

Perhaps I did not make myself quite clear, Keystroke macros will work just as well for menu commands as for hotkeys. If you can operate your programme with the keyboard (including running macros) and do not need the mouse, you can do it with Vocola plus Preferred etc. It is possible to programme mouse commands, but I am not sure how you could do that out of sight of the screen!

The other tip is that, sometimes you need to put "wait" commands into the command to allow time for the correct screen to come up before sending the next keystroke. Perhaps you could try to see if that works in VRcommander.

Mark

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Stick with it. I am sorry you that you have found yourself in the middle of an arguement. Personally I have had good advice from both Quentin and Knowbrainer.. it is simply a question of understanding where they are coming from, but most of the time they speak good sense. Eye-wink

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