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rss feed is "broken"
Submitted by esj on Wed, 11/15/2006 - 05:30.
the RSS feed doesn't behave properly. I don't get updates whenever new comments are added. As the RSS feed is the only way I follow a Web forum, fixing the feed problem would be most appreciated. |
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It's not broken and it's
It's not broken and it's behaving correctly.
From what I understand of the way RSS is defined, it allows only the "headline" articles to be sent. I know there are sites that have the comment feeds as well, but that's something someone has done beyond the protocol's main definition. Thus you won't get updates when comments are added. I understand there are later definitions and implementations, but they are not available for this system.
I did find an RSS comment feed for this system, but it was so confusing that I decided not to put it in. The comments weren't linked to the headlines leaving them a jumble of messages.
So for now, you have what is available here.
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fertilizer. An RSS feed feeds what you tell it to. It doesn't care about contentor structures. It will feed an XML document to the RSS feeds subscribed. For example, if I ignore the RSS feed long enough, I will see one of the speech computing threadscomplete with all the comments up to the time that I fetch it. Therefore it is possible and practical to regenerate a new page that is put into the rss feed if the page changes. Now it would be annoying as all hell to get one update per comment. It would be almost as annoying as all the stupid e-mail messages I get telling me at a thread has been updated. A smart system would aggregate comments and minimize the number of updates.
And if the system can send out all of these useless e-mail notifications, why the hell isn't there a gateway to a mailing list so you can have a decent environment for following traffic?
And another irritation. Why don't you have a WYSIWYG editor? Naked HTML is a horrible thing to inflict on people they can't type well. Speech recognition and HTML are mortal enemies. Good lord, don't give your users capabilities that they can't use. At least one I'd put together a web framework, I choose a markup notation I could easily speak with unenhanced NaturallySpeaking. but the stuff in this environment is just cruel.
this may be one solution http://wikiwyg.net/ for reduction of cruelty.
I suggest looking at http://quicktopic.com/ for a way to do discussion systems right.
---eric
mailing lists fill your inbox with messages. Web forums fill your inbox of messages telling you that you have messages somewhere else.
Eric, I'll keep this simple.
Eric,
I'll keep this simple. For some reason you want to try to drive me back to mailing lists like on Yahoo. It's NOT going to happen my friend. If you want such, mailing lists are provided here on this site. You are signed up on them, but no one is using them because the majority of users seem to PREFER the website forum format from the feedback I get. When I tried to marry the two it was a MESS so we are no longer going to try that either.
I have NO WAY TO CHANGE WHAT GOES TO THE RSS FEED. Read that about 40 times especially the part that is capitalized and bolded. There is no way to change it in the software, I don't have time to learn the programming and have no ambition to go there. So LEAVE IT ALONE! The newer software version may have that, but I've not looked as RSS is not a top priority right now.
There IS a WYSIWYG editor on here. I've never tried to use it with voice. Others may have. When you are entering your text, look at the lower left corner of the text-box. It says enable rich-text. That's the WYSIWYG editor. It allows you to WYSIWYG and translates it to HTML for you. That link is a toggle.
I'll look at the other sites you mention, but seeing them will do nothing to help the current situation.
If you don't want the messages sent telling you of replies, then turn off the subscriptions feature in your profile. I believe you can also set the Rich Text Editor as a default in there.
'Nuff Said.
esj, What's your problem?
esj,
What's your problem?
You appear to be the first person on this list to have any complaints about the way the site is running. If you look back, you will see that any comments regarding the site have been either constructive, or suggestive.
In fact your postings appear to be one long moan, and the tone and language of them give the impression that you are a very aggressive person.
I do not know about anybody else, but I have found your postings to be offensive.
Quentin
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esj,
What's your problem?
I hate incompetently written software and I hate that people will settle for crap when things could be done better. For example, I'm quoting your message and I'm replying to it interleaved form. You can't separate what you wrote from what I wrote because it will look typographically exactly the same. And I have no interest in straining my voice to adapt to it. Software should adapt to us, to how we work.
You appear to be the first person on this list to have any complaints about the way the site is running. If you look back, you will see that any comments regarding the site have been either constructive, or suggestive.
Well, we used to have a vibrant community on a mailing list. From what I can tell by the RSS feed, the number of people participating are a small fraction of what they used to be. Marty is his usual wonderful self. Chuck is also wonderfully informative. But community has been savaged by this transition. There are many people who refuse to use web forums except when absolute necessary. You don't hear those people complain because they aren't here anymore. I gave this forum and try it when it first started and I was so repulsed that I left. Does that mean myself and the others that left don't matter? Perhaps. But I think it's telling.
In fact your postings appear to be one long moan, and the tone and language of them give the impression that you are a very aggressive person.
Yes, I am an aggressive person when I see something grossly wrong. I will provide references to fixes whenever possible. I will stay in somebody's face until it is fixed. I have made technical support people cry because I have been persistent well beyond their ability to cope. I will keep at it until I fix it or find a way to render it irrelevant to the world at large. If that's your definition of aggressive, so be it. But the end result is I make things better sometimes.
I do not know about anybody else, but I have found your postings to be offensive.
Fine. That's your opinion so kill file me. Oh sorry, you can't. It's not a part of the forum user interface.
Quentin
additional FYI about why forceful ways.
I was told by someone on the gnome at-spi project that they focused on the blind needs and build the API around that because that was their biggest audience. I argue that it's not their biggest audience, it is merely the more vocal.
Accessibility aids a focus on the blind because the blind squawk. The blind have friends and family that advocate for them. They have an organization and training programs to help people cope with being blind.
What do we do? Nothing. We put up with crap level software with bugs exist for four or five years, use tools that are, if not hostile, significantly destructive towards our remaining hand and arm function, and we don't even get involved in accessibility projects like at-spi to protect our own self-interest. Good lord. The only time I've seen more passive people were amateur astronomers facing light pollution. At least when they hide their heads in the dark it's to look at the stars.
This is why I complain about this web forum. it's a microcosm of larger problem that we face every single day. Ranging from poorly designed doorknobs to faucets to the way the laptop behaves when you shut the lid. If you don't complain, nothing will ever change. And if they won't change when you complain politely, sometimes you have to be a pain.
---eric
Web forums are like the BBSs of the 1980s only slower and with less functionality
It seems you do not
It seems you do not understand how to post properly.
At the end of each message, there is the facility to quote. The way you have presented your message makes it very difficult to read and for anyone to understand what point you are replying to and which contribution is yours.
I have always found that moderate, rather than aggressive and abusive language is far better to produce results. That is probably why you have so much trouble dealing with suppliers.
As regards Nuance, their attitude to me was exemplary when my first experience with them exchanging VV 10 discs for VV 10.5 discs was effortless. You can look at the postings in that regard.
It has been my experience that I get excellent results by being temperate and polite. Perhaps it is my 41 years experience as a lawyer that has given me that ability, although I have to say that this has always been my approach. I have proved this on many occasions in court, particularly where an opposing lawyer is aggressive and gets the back up of a judge, and often a jury. Perhaps you watch too much TV, and believe everything you see in courtroom dramas. That is not what happens in real life.
I believe you're the first to complain about the quality of this website. I can assure you that your views are not shared by anyone else, particularly the contributors.
Perhaps the reason why there has been a fall off in contributions recently is because anyone who does any research on this site to locate solutions can do so simply by searching the postings. The search facility is well organised to enable anyone to locate a solution to a specific problem.
You will also note that there are postings of problems which have been dealt with in previous contributions. When this happens, you will find the inexhaustible patience of those who give the answers, frequently repeating their earlier advice even though the problems have been dealt with previously.
My suggestion to you is – get a life.
Quentin
crivon1 wrote: It seems you
It seems you do not understand how to post properly.
At the end of each message, there is the facility to quote. The way you have presented your message makes it very difficult to read and for anyone to understand what point you are replying to and which contribution is yours.
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No, quoting and commenting is not easy. The text is bracketed by a series of magic characters which are difficult to say and get the right spacing. Again, if the developers had bothered to pay attention to 30 years of history, we wouldn't have this problem. But no, they invented something new that is substandard. So I will bracket my comments with a
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I have always found that moderate, rather than aggressive and abusive language is far better to produce results. That is probably why you have so much trouble dealing with suppliers.
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Actually, I have very little trouble dealing with suppliers and if they cooperate right away. I start polite but after months of crap, it gets less polite. You are catching this story four years down the line. You should hear me when NaturallySpeaking screws me a royal and loses data. I do not take kindly to any application loses data on me. I will fire that application and let the developers know politely but forcefully how much their application is substandard. And then I tell all my friends about how bad these applications are and suggest that they don't use them. In the case of NaturallySpeaking, I have had many doctors ask me about it and a few lawyers. I tell them to stay away and those that didn't come back to me later saying they wish they had listened to me.
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As regards Nuance, their attitude to me was exemplary when my first experience with them exchanging VV 10 discs for VV 10.5 discs was effortless. You can look at the postings in that regard.
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My dealings with nuance has been absolutely screaming miserable. I have spoken privately and politely with nuance employees and they just shrug and say yup, that's the way management has decided to treat handicapped people (i.e. as useless turds scrape off the bottom of the shoe). I have spoken with nuance technical support people only to find they can't fog a mirror. nuance has tried to put of legal barriers to prevent people from using natlink and knowbrainer. After all, it's obvious the macro system is worth $400 (only obvious difference between personal and professional).
When asked to help make something work with Linux, all they said was "show me the money". I have no problems people getting paid but I frankly the attitude is stupid and shortsighted.
When you add on top of this their incompetence with writing software, I'm going to any alternative I can find as soon as I can do it.
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It has been my experience that I get excellent results by being temperate and polite. Perhaps it is my 41 years experience as a lawyer that has given me that ability, although I have to say that this has always been my approach. I have proved this on many occasions in court, particularly where an opposing lawyer is aggressive and gets the back up of a judge, and often a jury. Perhaps you watch too much TV, and believe everything you see in courtroom dramas. That is not what happens in real life.
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Good advice. And that is where I start. And if I haven't been abused, I can approach things forcefully but coldly but I swear to God, I am so angry that nuance has taken products and a culture that in the past that supported handicap accessibility because it was the right thing to do. They've replaced it with a pay me more and we will give you nothing product of today. That gets the best of me when I lose data or accessibility fails and I have to use my arms while the pain climbs to the point where I can't work. I consider it as morally reprehensible as teasing a starving child with food and then eating it in front of him.
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I believe you're the first to complain about the quality of this website. I can assure you that your views are not shared by anyone else, particularly the contributors.
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Self-selecting audience. Those who hate the site stay away. I only came back because I needed information I couldn't get elsewhere. Maybe I should take my own advice and stay away so that yet another person dissatisfied will not be heard from and nothing will change.
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Perhaps the reason why there has been a fall off in contributions recently is because anyone who does any research on this site to locate solutions can do so simply by searching the postings. The search facility is well organised to enable anyone to locate a solution to a specific problem.
You will also note that there are postings of problems which have been dealt with in previous contributions. When this happens, you will find the inexhaustible patience of those who give the answers, frequently repeating their earlier advice even though the problems have been dealt with previously.
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it's a well known and documented phenomenon that moving from mailing list to web forums trashes the community. the search engine is far inferior to Google and it has never been of use to me in the past. All the problems I tend to encounter are edge conditions as Marty will tell you. For example I started using the Bluetooth headset, found and if possible provided workarounds for numerous problems.
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My suggestion to you is – get a life.
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It's funny. If you really want to have someone get a life, there are other ways that can be more easily heard by the person that needs to make change. The form you used is a pejorative term to reject someone or shame them into complying with a narrowly defined code of behavior. This is not unlike the codewords managers use when telling employees that they are "not acting professional".
You gave good advice on reducing forcefulness and communications. Fair enough, I will take that advice and try to extend where I can apply it in my life. But I'm sorry you use that last shot because I was hoping you were better than that. that last shot was aggressive language.
Cheers
---eric
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Quentin